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Russia - more possible child abuse inside the Church
« on: December 11, 2010, 02:34:41 AM »
Now where the Catholic has been busy cleaning up among the dirty old pastors, the time has come to the Orthodox Church. In the country where the spanking thereapy against drug abuse has been invented of course we are talking corporal punishment.

So we have created a datasheet for the boarding school at the Svyato-Bogolyubovsky convent based on this article from the newspaper RT, which was published on the 28. october 2010:

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Police investigate child torture scandal at convent school

Police have launched a criminal probe into the scandalous case of a Russian convent school that reportedly tortured its students, as human rights experts confirmed the reports to be true.
Last week, the media published statements by three underage pupils who escaped from the boarding school at the Svyato-Bogolyubovsky convent in central Russia. The girls complained that pupils at the convent were repeatedly beaten, deprived of sleep, starved and not allowed to leave.
Russia’s human right ombudsman, Vladimir Lukin, confirmed the children’s story after his committee conducted an independent investigation. According to the ombudsman’s press service, pupils of the boarding school told investigators they were made to work in the field 18 hours a day and read the psalms out loud until 2 a.m., that they were locked up and given nothing but bread and water for up to 16 days.
At the same time, nuns at the monastery told a completely different story, saying they never punished the children cruelly: the only food the students were deprived of was sweets, psalms were read for 10 minutes only, and work in the field lasted several hours a day, and only if approved by the children’s parents.
Now the Russian Investigative Committee in the Vladimir Region has launched a criminal investigation into the case, the head of the committee, Vladimir Markin, said on Thursday.
Last year, when 16-year-old Valentina Perova ran away from the Svyato-Bogolyubovsky boarding school and became the first to report its harsh discipline, law enforcement agencies refused to launch a criminal probe into the school’s activities.
According to Perova, children at the convent were told that one of the school’s boy pupils would become the next Russian tsar when monarchy is restored in the country.
“We were told that one of the boys would surely become the Russian tsar,” she told Interfax.
For the time being, the school has been closed down, and its students have been moved to a different boarding school in the area.

References:
Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide crises, Pravda, March 26, 2010
Svyato-Bogolyubovsky boarding school, datasheet on Fornis Wiki
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Re: Russia - more possible child abuse inside the Church
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 08:10:36 AM »
“One girl was hit with a garden tool and now has a spinal injury, which she will have to live with for the rest of her life,” said head of the Suzdal district of the Vladimir diocese Vladimir Rysev, who is taking care of the teenagers now. “They would make kids eat a cup of salt or stand on a stool all night reading psalms, and they were not allowed to sleep. Or [they would have to] kneel down on a tray with nails. One girl was forced to put her hand in a hot oven.”

Children were also deprived of food and sleep as punishments, or locked in cells for two weeks at a time.




Presidential commissioner for children’s rights Pavel Astakhanov.

But religious life calls for sacrifice, warned Astrakhanov, “Life in a convent is, in fact, very tough,” Astakhov told RT. “Religious obedience sometimes demands physically taxing actions that can easily be confused with abuse, but that does not mean that abuse is really there, because a person only accepts such a life voluntarily and in case of a child, with the parents’ approval.”

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Re: Russia - more possible child abuse inside the Church
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 03:37:22 PM »
It is easy to observe some cultural difference compared to what we are used to in that statement.

But I believe that it is worth to investigate such matter. When a 13 year old girl was stoned to death (Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow) in Somalia after reporting a rape the story was in the first reports that the girls was 23 years of age and demanded to be stoned due to her religion. Worldwide it is still too easy to hide abuse behind religion. It can never be OK according to my mind but maybe that is just me.

I believe that there should be a limit to what parents can sign OK to. In the Texas boot camp dragging case it was also the point from prosecutor, but the jury was dead-locked in the end.
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Re: Russia - more possible child abuse inside the Church
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 05:19:20 PM »
Quote from: "Oscar"
It is easy to observe some cultural difference compared to what we are used to in that statement.

But I believe that it is worth to investigate such matter. When a 13 year old girl was stoned to death (Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow) in Somalia after reporting a rape the story was in the first reports that the girls was 23 years of age and demanded to be stoned due to her religion. Worldwide it is still too easy to hide abuse behind religion. It can never be OK according to my mind but maybe that is just me.

I believe that there should be a limit to what parents can sign OK to. In the Texas boot camp dragging case it was also the point from prosecutor, but the jury was dead-locked in the end.

I am not familiar with the details of the case but my opinion is that the parents dont have a right to "Okay" abuse set upon their child.  Abuse is abuse, doesnt matter if someone okays it or not.  The abuser should be sent to prison regardless of who sanctioned it.



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Re: Russia - more possible child abuse inside the Church
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 08:27:52 AM »
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“One girl was hit with a garden tool and now has a spinal injury, which she will have to live with for the rest of her life,” said head of the Suzdal district of the Vladimir diocese Vladimir Rysev, who is taking care of the teenagers now. “They would make kids eat a cup of salt or stand on a stool all night reading psalms, and they were not allowed to sleep. Or [they would have to] kneel down on a tray with nails. One girl was forced to put her hand in a hot oven.”

Children were also deprived of food and sleep as punishments, or locked in cells for two weeks at a time.




Presidential commissioner for children’s rights Pavel Astakhanov.

But religious life calls for sacrifice, warned Astrakhanov, “Life in a convent is, in fact, very tough,” Astakhov told RT. “Religious obedience sometimes demands physically taxing actions that can easily be confused with abuse, but that does not mean that abuse is really there, because a person only accepts such a life voluntarily and in case of a child, with the parents’ approval.”

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Aspen opened up a program in Russia now?  Did the church get their "treatment plans" from ASR or something??  Those tactics sound almost exactly like what kids are forced to endure in Aspen Ed programs here in the states.  

IF IT'S ABUSE THERE, IT'S ABUSE HERE.

They even use the "parent choice" excuse for child abuse, just like programs here in the States!
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