Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Elan School
The abuse you brought on us,the shame is yours.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-23 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are doing great Dee. Keep exposing all your feelings about what Elan did to you. It will set you free. I am proud of you.
Paul"
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Once again...
This asshole posting is not me.
Paul St. John
Anonymous:
Dee, I am not brain washed. It is you who are. Ginger, Matt Hoffman, Paul St. John and all these other people are manipulating you. From what I understand you had a very positive experience in Elan after you switched houses. Remeber the positive stuff. If I chose remembered every degrading thing said to me in a General Meeting and not all the insight given to me, than I am only cheating myself. I understand you have your issues with Marty to work out, and Dave is dead so you'll never get to resolve those with him. But please remember all the positive things you got out of the program, and address your problems with the people who you need to, rather than just venting on this site.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-23 15:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dee, I am not brain washed. It is you who are. Ginger, Matt Hoffman, Paul St. John and all these other people are manipulating you. From what I understand you had a very positive experience in Elan after you switched houses. Remeber the positive stuff. If I chose remembered every degrading thing said to me in a General Meeting and not all the insight given to me, than I am only cheating myself. I understand you have your issues with Marty to work out, and Dave is dead so you'll never get to resolve those with him. But please remember all the positive things you got out of the program, and address your problems with the people who you need to, rather than just venting on this site."
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What? Do you monitor this site? How do you always manage to post right after me?
" and at EAXACTLY MIDNIGHT, GOSH DARNIT" :roll: :wink: :lol:
Now, let's take a look at what you said.. Dee, can no doubt take of herself, but I'd like a shot at you as well...
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-23 15:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dee, I am not brain washed. It is you who are. Ginger, Matt Hoffman, Paul St. John and all these other people are manipulating you.
Antigen:
Anon, straight up, serious question. How do you know you're not brainwashed? What does brainwashing mean when you say it? When I say it, I mean Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform, which you can read here
http://ncafe.com/northkorea/LiftonThoug ... iteria.htm
You should know that all of us have been through programs that use a lot of these basic techniques. For me, Matt, Dee and John, it's been years. Matt and Dee knew eachother years ago from Elan, but until a few days ago, never spoke in the mean time. I don't think any of us has ever met John except through these forums. And I've only met Matt once over breakfast with my kid and another adult at a busy conference. Aside from that I've never met Matt or Dee, only spoken on the phone a few times.
There is no way that any of us have enough control over eachothers lives or environments to carry it off if any of us wanted to. You, otoh, just got out of a long stay in an environment that's intentionally perfect for it.
Like I said. It takes on to know one.
If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil
deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
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Anonymous:
unfortunately,, it looks like concept still works.As with a/a,, if you buy the whole package deep enuf, to yourself and your peers,it appears to work.no matter what you wanna call it,brain washed is the word when talkin about elan. they learned there lessons well from the nazis,frued,skinner,, maybe even a dash of charlie.buut ,, with no after care to keep you submerged,it aint gonna last.,,
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