Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Elan School
The abuse you brought on us,the shame is yours.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-22 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are you so angry at me, Dee? I am just stating how elan is today. I wasn't around in the 70s and im sure it was different. I know Elan saved my life. I would not be the successful, strong, independant woman I am today if it wasn't for Marty, Clare, and the other staff and directors who gave me the opportunity to be successful. I have nothing to do with the staff and directors. Personally I disagreed with some things they said and did, but thats life. I feel sorry for you that your experience in Elan was so negative, and hope that one day you can move past it."
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I can't speak for Dee. But I can tell you why I used to practically lose my grip whenever I came accross people saying about Straight just about exactly what you're saying about Elan.
For one thing, there was a time when I was saying the same things. Abuse? What abuse? I never saw any kind of abuse. Everyone who got humiliated or hurt in some way brought it on themselves. And, of course, there's this spoken or unspoken rule of confidentiality taken to extremes that prevents people who want to remain in good standing from discussing any of it among themselves or, especially, with outlanders in any but glowing terms.
Imagine you used to belong to the the Manson Family, maybe against your will, maybe not. Years later, the memory of what this guy did to the inside of your mind and the outside of your body and other people in front of you still freak you the fuck out at times. Now, imagine if, instead of serving natural life w/o parole, Charles Manson were mayor of some small town somewhere. Still with access to little kids, getting paid big bucks and smiling for the cameras like a hero.
Now do you understand why some people might find it infuriating and frightening that these particular people have a following of young kids?
Girl, Elan didn't save your life. You have no way of knowing what would have happened without Elan because it didn't happen. No one knows or can say. I can tell you that an awful lot of people subjected to essentially the same behavior modification methods have come out of it a bit twitchy.
A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
A republic is where the sheep get to pick which wolves vote on what to have for dinner.
But in a constitutional republic, voting on dinner is strictly
forbidden.
--A Patriot
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Dee Verry:
LMAO Why are you in here?telling us how wonderful Elan made your life.you sick fuckin bitch.your not even a resident or a graduate.
NICE TRY MARTYYYYYY your so sweat and will you honor me,PLEASE I AM SOOOOOOOOO GOOD MARTYYYYYY TAKE ME FOR A WALK
what the FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-22 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im sorry if you misunderstood me. When I said I disagreed with some of the things at Elan, I meant petty things. Like demotions that I disagreed with or something to that nature. As a whole I agree with the program. I didn't have it easy there at all. I was in the ring, I recieved countless general meetings, and more gi time than I wish to remember. But all of those learning experiences were because of my own actions.
Paul, you never went to Elan. Elan does not save lives, you are right. Elan offers people the tools to save their own lives. I know I'd be either dead or in a psych ward right now had I not been sent to Elan. Instead I am a successful college student who knows how to handle her feelings and move on from things. I feel I owe my life to the staff and directors of Elan."
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I just don't buy it, and I am also wonderring if you are the same person who keeps posting to Dee as me. .. just wonderring is all..
But again...
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-22 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im sorry if you misunderstood me.
Are you sorry that I said " Fuck You! "
When I said I disagreed with some of the things at Elan, I meant petty things. Like demotions that I disagreed with or something to that nature.
You would have to be pretty petty to disagree with that, and have no problem with everything else that went on there
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-22 23:00:00, Paul St. John wrote:
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On 2003-10-22 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im sorry if you misunderstood me. When I said I disagreed with some of the things at Elan, I meant petty things. Like demotions that I disagreed with or something to that nature. As a whole I agree with the program. I didn't have it easy there at all. I was in the ring, I recieved countless general meetings, and more gi time than I wish to remember. But all of those learning experiences were because of my own actions.
Paul, you never went to Elan. Elan does not save lives, you are right. Elan offers people the tools to save their own lives. I know I'd be either dead or in a psych ward right now had I not been sent to Elan. Instead I am a successful college student who knows how to handle her feelings and move on from things. I feel I owe my life to the staff and directors of Elan."
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I just don't buy it, and I am also wonderring if you are the same person who keeps posting to Dee as me. .. just wonderring is all..
But again...
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On 2003-10-22 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im sorry if you misunderstood me.
Are you sorry that I said " Fuck You! "
When I said I disagreed with some of the things at Elan, I meant petty things. Like demotions that I disagreed with or something to that nature.
You would have to be pretty petty to disagree with that, and have no problem with everything else that went on there
As a whole I agree with the program. I didn't have it easy there at all. I was in the ring, I recieved countless general meetings, and more gi time than I wish to remember. But all of those learning experiences were because of my own actions.
Whoever you are.. don't you know by now that I am smarter then that.
For any intelligent person, who is reading this check it...
You jump off a house, maybe you will get hurt as a result of your actions.
The use of initiatory force on the other hand is unnatural and immoral, and we are not responsible for haqrm caused to us, because someone else sees it as fit
Paul, you never went to Elan.
Yeah.. You guys bring that up a lot .. don't ya?
Elan does not save lives, you are right.
even though I have never been there? lol
Elan offers people the tools to save their own lives.
That's not the story I hear.. LMAO!
I know I'd be either dead or in a psych ward right now had I not been sent to Elan.
Well, my gathering of facts has led me to the conclusion that there are a lot of people who are dead, or in a psych ward because they went to Elan.
Instead I am a successful college student who knows how to handle her feelings and move on from things.
I think you are a bullshit artist.. I think you are staff.. I think you started the threads about me.. I think that you are fucking with Dee... I think that you pretend to be me, and post to her, in an attempt to control her, and perhaps burn her out, before she gets all her truth out, and I think that when all else failed, you are now trying to play on our emotions.. because you know that we are actually decent people, unlike yourself.
I feel I owe my life to the staff and directors of Elan."
and the Academy Award goes to....
Paul
P.S. I am sorry to hear that you had to spend so much time in the ring, but I was under the impression that Elan didn't the ring too much anymore.. Didn't you say that you were of the recent, new and improved Elan?
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Anonymous:
hmm a recent graduate,, female,, went in the ring,, did they give u a chest protector?/
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