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Whooter:
DJ, I think part of the problem is that you spend so much time trying to discredit people who don’t agree with you that you lose sight of the intent of the forum itself. Your opinions are just as acceptable as mine are, why not just post your opinion?
Over the past years 90% of your posts were intended to disrupt conversations between the posters here with your constant “John Reuben” threads and posts...., fiduciary..... and who lied about what....... and how many kids I had or fabricated. Why don’t you grow up and try to commit to having a conversation as an adult.
I believe that programs help a great many of kids and I also realize that there are bad programs out there. You believe that all programs are out to hurt kids. So we disagree, I don’t think that you should be banned because you disagree with me nor do I spend 90% of my time trying to discredit you. I have given you a taste of your own medicine from time to time but my intent is to accept all viewpoints and posts equally . I don’t think you can make the same statement.
Now I can see you have dropped to the level of trying to discredit the Admins because they don’t agree with you or will not serve your demands. Who cares if people are PMing you to cheer you on. This is not High school, think for yourself and take a step back to see what you are doing and see the foolishness of your actions.
I think to spend all your time trying to get one person banned or interfere in a conversation is a little obsessive to say the least. You have plenty to contribute to this forum in a positive manner, DJ. Why not give it a shot and try discussing the issues more and contributing more vs trying to be disruptive. Who cares if we disagree, lets argue openly and honestly on the forum.
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Dysfunction Junction:
Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
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Sorry, my PM box will remain closed, DJ. Since you cannot flood my inbox anymore I see you have resorted to flooding Psy's in box. You have some real issues, the rest of us will do our discussions out here in the open forum. Have fun in the shadows.
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psy:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
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No, DJ. How about we do this in public rather than in PM, where I have no opportunity to rebut. And how about you make the *entire* log of PMs sent between us public... Including the part where I made it very very clear that banning him was your decision (if your case as as solid as you were saying) and my personal feelings, one way or the other, had nothing at all to do with any decision. That is the exact opposite of what you were were trying to imply I said. How about I start with the PM I sent you that we were just talking about.
--- Quote from: "Psy" --- I apologize for my slow responses and lack of attention to moderation. I've been busy. Making decisions on this stuff takes uplot of my time. Right now i'm unpacking after moving into a new apartment.
I will examine the evidence in time but can you please send me a pdf document. That's your appeal. Include screenshots and dates and times and stuff. We'll let Whooter examine it, and if he can't come up with an explanation I will ban him and explain why on the forum. This will give him due process and an opportunity to respond. I will read the things... eventually. and make a decision. Other moderators will also have to uphold this and I will hold them to the contract.
Consider when you do this, though, the effect it will have on the forum. Whooter is a catalyst for so much discussion and when he's gone, the forum isn't very active at all. It might grow without him, maybe back to what it was.... Maybe. Who knows. Who else will represent his viewpoint. It will become necessary to invent him and for that purpose you have to promise you will make up a sock-puppet... Maybe a fake ed-con, complete with email address for parents to contact you. If you're telling the truth, this is your decision to ban him pretty much. Consider your actions carefully. I will ban all future incarnations. I will ban other IPs and I will check. He will be gone. But the forum will not be the same without him.
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Just like Whooter, you're starting to take things out of context to change meaning. In the context of the PM I was clear it was a warning to you as to whether or not to proceed but that I would be fair, there would be oversight, and I never ever implied any fears about Whooter's absence might affect my judgement. "You have to promise" was clearly not meant literally or as an order. You distorted my words to threaten me and that's not ok.
You were perfectly happy with my response sent about a month ago and never expressed any discontent until you got the impression or suspicion I might not be ruling in your direction (possibly after I ruled against you once before your second appeal). Then you threatened me. Well. I can't very well rule on something where somebody has threatened me. If I ruled in your direction, it would give you the impression such tactics worked. Other complications apply going the other way as well. The only way to take the threat out of the equation was to disclose what you were threatening me with, something I have done in full above. You forced my hand.
Dysfunction Junction:
Miscommunication on both ends I think. You cleared up your end and I cleared up mine. Next time I will just give you a call to avoid problems in the first place. Written words are too subject to interpretation and I think that's where it got off track in the first place. I apologized to both you and Joel and committed to be a gentleman about this matter. That's all I can do. I won't relitigate or respond beyond this.
I take full responsibility for whatever ramifications arise from Whooter's banning. You're off the hook on that.
We all need to keep in mind that he agreed to this contract voluntarily. I knew, and he should have known, that he would violate this agreement. He has a mental illness that prohibits self-control, which is really what this is all about. He should have either not entered the contract or upped his meds to control himself. He has nobody but himself to blame now.
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