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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2003, 08:40:00 PM »
Hi Carey:

Nice to hear from you too.  But, why under anon?  It is so obvious it is your ranting.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2003, 08:56:00 PM »
does it come as a surprise that PURE has more enemies than just WWASP and Carey.

Hello!!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2003, 09:11:00 PM »
So what's your story? Will we, the public ever get to hear it, or are you just here to shoot "drive by" comments like all the others anons involved in the feud?
And no, I'm not in either camp.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2003, 09:39:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-15 13:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am not sure what Carey is trying to say or prove in making any connection with ISAC and Sue Scheff. "


Sue, ISAC is where I first got the hot tip that you wanted to sue me. Future note. Don't waste your money on costly PR campaigns. Just contact ISAC with your press release, but mark it *** SECRET ***

Marti, it breaks my heart to see you being taken for this same old ride yet again. Please wake up.

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then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2003, 09:55:00 PM »
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On 2003-10-15 17:06:00, Grams wrote:

"Ginger, what are you missing?  This has nothing to do with PURE or Sue Scheff.  If you want to defend Carey, ask her what she gave WWASP.I don't, nor have the Colburns ever worked for PURE or Sue.  Because we posted on her site, does not mean we are on her payroll.  I am posting right here, am I on your payroll?  That is a ridiculous assumption.

Ok, Blanche, you've worn me down. If you insist, I'll list you and the Colburns and anyone else who posts to this site and wants to be listed as "Fornits volunteers", OK? Will that make you happy? It's Blanche Hardy, right? From Granbury, TX? Do you want your email address included? Would you like a special "Fornits Volunteers" forum? Are you willing to pitch for the extra bandwidth and disk space?  

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Carey went to Sue and ask for help, at that point, we all tried to help her.

Oh yeah! I've seen a good sampling of that kind of 'help'. I had about enough of that over 20 years ago.
 
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 Confidential information (not PURE's info).  Just our experiences and positions on children's abuse going on.  I don't know any negative info on PURE to share with anyone. If you are a survivor, you know how they operate.  

Exactly! That's why it's so damned easy for me to see you guys coming. I know all the lines verbatum. Sure wish Marti would wise up. Despite recent differences, I knew her a long time ago and sincerely wish the best for her.

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Our opinions of WWASP or Straight are our opinions and not to be shared with WWASP, so they can try to tie up everyone in a court battle for slander.  

Uh, opinions and true facts are not slander. Don't let anyone run you around. You have every right to speak your mind right out in public. They may sue, but they will lose. Hell, they'll sue anyway if they want to, even if they have to plant evidence. Ask Svetlana. Maybe she can draw on her experience growing up in the Soviet Union.

Your best bet, honestly, is to not only spread the word so far and wide that they can't accomplish shutting you up (cause the word's already out, regardless of how hard they spank you) but also put the word out everywhere for anyone who's gotten a letter of demand threatening a SLAP suit to send copies of those letters. Then you get to (collectively?) clean there ever lovin' clocks for filing frivolous lawsuites. Instead, you all cower in your respective corners, jumping at shadows and pretending to yourself that you've got some hot info worth big bucks to WWASP and you're the only ones. You haven't. You're not. You just still in the Program.

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Its our experiences and opinions.  I wish you had been around when Carey was begging all of us to help her and we were there for her, only to be stabbed in the back afterwards.  In your opinion, is this right? "


Depends on how you define "stabbed in the back". If, by that, you mean breaking with the group opinion and refusing to come into agreement, well, in my opinion, that's one of the rightest things any human being can do.

Now, please spend some time and look over all the Carey bashing threads. Hey, why not invite your grandaughter to join you. Then you tell me if this is the way civilized human beings ought to treat eachother.

THAT, more than anything (except your website) is what has destroyed your credibility with this reader. What others make of it, I don't know. Why not ask them?

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2003, 10:07:00 PM »
I agree with the post by Antigen.

I would like to add though that PURE or anyone representing opinions as FACT is against the law if it inflicts damages.  
Problem is that Blanche cries about abuse when her info is second hand.  She doesn't even have the parent perspective. So she's way down the line.  

The actual affected are really the ones that can present the facts of what goes on in these places.

My problem with PURE is that they represent too much of their info as fact.  I don't see any former kids of programs on your list of little helpers.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2003, 04:20:00 AM »
Well I'll be damned! Never thought to look right on the front page for the link. They do still advertise escort services!

http://www.helpyourteens.com/safe_trans ... vices.html

"Some teens are willing to get help, others will go under false pretense, and then there is the need for escorting."

Try asking them. If that doesn't work, lie to them. If that fails, what the hell, just drug them and hire a kidnapper!

I don't see what you're talking about wrt opinion stated as fact. Blanche posts to the board, but I haven't found anything by her on the site. However, she did fall, hook, line and sinker, for the "anyone who doesn't agree with PURE is killing children" thing.

I think they've got a really new spin on an old concept. At least according to their website, they play down the evil drug culture thing to some extent. The only assurance I've been able to get out of them as to the quality and ethics of the programs they refer to has been "they're not WWASP". I wonder if they refer to Elan? And why they don't list the schools, boot-camps and programs so that people can do a little checking on their own?

One of these days, I'll put a friend up to getting more info.

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2003, 08:04:00 AM »
More on Safeguard-More than just escorts:
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/6/np1.html

Safeguard uses a transition TEAM consisting of the: family, case manager, transition counselor, and family therapist. Together they create a transition support plan that offers an assessment of the child?s needs based on interviews with parents, reviews of records and phone interviews with the case manager at the current residential facility.


Safe and Sound:
http://www.safeandsoundtransportation.c ... /index.htm

In the early morning of the day of the transport, it will be necessary to have parents lead us into the childs bedroom, and after gently waking the child, introduce us. After a brief introduction and explanation of who we are and where the child is going, the parents will be required to immediately leave the area. They should then go to a place in the home where they will not be seen or heard by the child, or even better, actually leave the premises.

The transport team will encourage your child to dress, and then accompany your child to their waiting vehicle. It is then that the transport will begin. We will have food and beverages in the vehicle to ensure proper nourishment. We also will ask parents prior to transport what the childs 'comfort foods' are, and keep the vehicle stocked.

To assist in reassuring your child, our staff has researched each of the schools and programs and will have materials and information on hand to share with your child, should that be deemed appropriate.

Based on your individual needs, we are able to provide hard-working and experienced Transportation staff to include Registered Nurses, Certified Nurse Assistants, Teachers, Licensed Social Workers, Military Police and local law enforcement agents, to name some. Because of the diverse qualifications of our staff, we are able to provide staffing on a 'best-match' system, based on the specific needs of each client.

All of our staff have at the very minimum, a HS Diploma or equivalent, while most have varying college experience, from some college, through to advanced degrees.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2003, 04:39:00 PM »
In around November of 1982, I lay sleeping soundly in the spare room at my brother's house, having fallen asleep just glad to be out of the Program and looking forward to getting a new start in life.

When I heard my mother's voice calling my name "Virginia, Virginia. Wake up. It's time to go now." I thought I was just having another one of those dreams. The scene before me when I opened my eyes was all too surreal, but I knew just the same that it was quite real. There stood my mother and a couple of other adult figures around my comfy bed. When the lights went on, I recognized one of them as a Straightling from the parent group in Sarasota. The other I didn't recognize at all.

The plan, of course, was to catch me unawares and bundle me off to the Program again. THAT was not going to happen, even if my brother and sil hadn't woken up and come out of their room to see what the ruckus was all about. So my choices were then limted to physical assault or any other suggestion. When my sil suggested calling the police, it seemed like the best option. At least I was pretty sure I could slug the cop or go for his weapon and buy a little time in police custody and, maybe, find some more options.

Fortunately for me, Stone Mountain or Decalb County police (I don't remember which) were totally uncorrupted by the Program that had been taking root in Cobb County on the other side of Atlanta. All I had to do was give my side of the story when asked.

When the cop first got there, my mom said something charictaristically cold and below the belt. I don't remember what it was, but she did get a rise out of me and I started to let her have it (verbally). The cop told us to stop it. He was right, of course. So my mom thanks him and proceeds to gear up in that signature shrill tone of hers and proceed with whatever manic rant she'd been rehersing on the drive up from Florida.

This officer responded, without hesitation, by placing his 6'+ self between her and me, leaning in on her (towering, really. neither one of us is over about 5'2) and asking her if she'd heard and understood his instruction and if she wanted to be arrested! Talk about flipping the script! Her eyes went wide as tea saucers as her jaw audibly popped open (or maybe it was her dentures slipping). This brought tears of joy and relief to my eyes. Not my mother's obvious distress. That was only amusing. But that, like Dad always told me, I really could count on a cop when I was in over my head.

Once he'd determined who was and was not family, ejected the strangers and heard from all four of the rest of us, he informed us that, in Georgia, 17 was the default age of emancipation. Mom tried to convince him that Florida jurisdiction applied cause I was officially a runaway in that state. "No dice", said this officer. "You're in Georgia and I am an officer of the law here. This young lady is an adult under Ga. law and if she doesn't want to go with you, I can't make her."

So the cop asked if there was anything else he could do and we said no, thank you very much, I think we're alright now. Then he started to leave and Mom missed her que and thought she was going to hang around. My brother told her to go (by then, it was around 1AM and we all had to be up and on the go starting at around 6) she again tried to play that she had some claim to be there because I was her minor child or cause she was kin or something. Again, the cop reminded her who's house and jurisdiction she was in and asked her if she wanted to leave the house voluntarily or with a little help.

You want to know just how into the drink my mom was? On the way to the door, she turns to my brother and says "Why do you leave your doors open at night. Any crazy person could just walk right in while you're sleeping!" "Yeah", said my brother, "they just did!". Absolutely no sense of irony whatever on the part of the deeply brainwashed.

I have to say, this cop saved me more sorrow and heartache than he could possibly have known at the time. He and several other area officers who I met in the course of subsiquent kidnapping attempts, did more to bouy my faith in law enforcement than anyone ever has. He was walking proof that there are still some good ones. So later in life, whenever I had contact with Florida cops, it would always bring on a panic attack, which would always prompt a response from them. Purely because I had seen with my own eyes that some of them could be trusted, I was able to keep a grip and not make it any worse.

It's heartbreaking and frightening to me that SWAT team members and jugheads have switched sides.

As grateful as I am to those good cops still in the ranks, I have to ask you to do just one more task. This one's harder, but I think you'll agree it's your duty. You good and faithful officers MUST, if you love your profession, respect your uniform and know decency, you MUST take these rogue officers into custody for the crimes they are commiting. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. These are your dogs. You have to call them off. No one else can, except by armed rebellion.

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