Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
PURE, can you make my kid love me again?
turbinekat:
Ladies...I'll allow yawl to spat between the three of you on this one.
Thanks for the ownership Betsy. I can respect someone stepping up to the plate when it is their turn. Ain't no shame in my game, just way to MANY false accusations...thrown around by the moderator & her accomplice!
This just proves it ms. ginger...your therapy maybe all you have left. You may want go get some real help!!! Maybe call momma & beg for forgiveness? Ta! Ta!
Regards,
Lee
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-16 15:45:00, turbinekat wrote:
"Ladies...I'll allow yawl to spat between the three of you on this one.
Thanks for the ownership Betsy. I can respect someone stepping up to the plate when it is their turn. Ain't no shame in my game, just way to MANY false accusations...thrown around by the moderator & her accomplice!
This just proves it ms. ginger...your therapy maybe all you have left. You may want go get some real help!!! Maybe call momma & beg for forgiveness? Ta! Ta!
Regards,
Lee
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You're nuts. Ginger's the sanest person on here, as far as I've been able to tell reading for the past handful of months.
Those of you telling each other how much they need therapy or tossing psychobabble around are the ones who come across as very "vivid."
Anonymous:
Lee wrote:"Ain't no shame in my game, just way to MANY false accusations...thrown around by the moderator & her accomplice!"
I'm not so sure these are false accusations, but I'm not so sure they're true accusations, either.
What I know is that the PURE website is based on bashing WWASPS. If you read the other forums here - STRAIGHT, CEDU, etc., you'll find the same stories, different programs. I don't see any of their stories over at PURE.
So, I've drawn my own conclusion.
One - PURE has been gaining volunteer support from ex-wwasps parents and relatives.
Two - The purpose of the volunteer support is to add fuel to their fire by talking to parents in crisis about what NOT to do.
Three - Do they really refer to kinder, gentler behavior modification schools? Does anyone really know besides the PURE Director and her wayward staff? IS THERE a gentler, kinder BM??
The quote "Wherever You Are Be There" comes to mind, Lee. You're either in it 100% or your not. If you are, then be proud of it. If not, you may want to take your volunteering to someplace else where you have a "warm and fuzzy" about helping with their purpose.
The purpose of PURE, from reading their site, is very much against what feels good for me. Someone might get it that if they changed their site to stand on their own merit, it could benefit more than creating fear in parents in crisis.
Lee, and the other volunteers may well be assisting in creating even more fear and confusion for those parents. :scared:
And you guys talk about how Teen Help creates fear! They don't even begin to close in on this, from everything I know.
Antigen:
In my view, when your kid is as tall as you are and doesn't care for your advice or direction, they don't need it. The accusation "you can't control your kid" is based on the false premis that the grown folk who our society, in the last hundred years or so, have come to define as "kids", need to be controled by a handler.
They don't need to be "controled". I think if you're both conciencous and fortunate, your kids will voluntarily adopt enough of your culture and ethics to never come into major conflict with you. But some kids are explorers and some kids have idiots or assholes for parents. Either way, it's a mystery to us old folks. They have to figure it out for themselves.
PURE and WWASP share that same basic premis that, if you're worried about your kid, you must do something to stop them from doing whatever it is they're doing to figure it out for themselves, even if it involves hiring off duty SWAT team members to take them by force, without a trial or the right to face their accuser.
That's where I have a problem with both of them. That and that all too familiar cultic habit of demonising and smearing all critics.
I don't think PURE is creating unfounded fear. As hard as some of this stuff is to accepte, given my experience in a synanon, it's not the least bit implausable or even surprising. I just think it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black and believing it.
America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
Paul St. John:
I think the problem really comes when
people begin to look at their children as problems to be solved. This is an entirely unnatural view, and usually stems down to a lot of selfishness rooted from insecurity in the parent, or just miseducation and shityy paradigms.
People are human beings. They need to be nurtured, and they need to be accepted.
As soon as they are looked at as problems to be solved, we have lost touch with our humanity and we are in some dangerous waters.
A person is not an equation..
I am sure that there are actually people out there who look for the RIGHT PROGRAM for their kid. There is an assumption there, that the child needs a program in the first place. Where did this idea come from?
"Well, Billy has problems! He needs something! Nothing we have done has helped him! We have had the minister talk to him. We ve done this and that! He s unresponsive. He doesn t listem to people anymore. What else can I do?"
I say that you could leave the poor kid alone, and just see what happens..
First thing you might not wnat to do, is force him to leave his own family and go elsewhere.
Accepting children for who they are, I think is the best that you can do for them. Have a sense of humor about life. Let a kid fuck up from time to time.. Let them explore and find out who they are.
For every adult who attributes in a touching story how some program made him/her so much better off today, there s another kid whose parent's let him live life proving how great life really can be!
Paul
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