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Whooter:

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--- Quote from: "TROLL FEEDERS" ---If whooter is so integral to your annoying system then why do you want him banned?
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If Disfunction Junction was kicking whooters ass all over the forum and making a fool out of him do you think he would want to get him banned?  Think about it.  He wants him banned because whooter makes him look like a fool all day everyday.
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Thanks Guest  :tup:



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Dysfunction Junction:
Whatever you may think the reason is, it's coming up shortly.

Dysfunction Junction:

--- Quote from: "Oscar" ---Our researchers have noticed that a number of former NATSAP members have dropped out of the organization. They are mentioned in various documents but they don't figure when you search the database. Not that it is a problem for our research, but it is an interesting trend.

Are anyone aware of if there is some kind of split going on inside this organization?
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It seems that way.

Dysfunction Junction:

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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---All I am saying is that these DHS reports keep coming out of RCS about beatings, stolen cars, police chases and now rapes are making it to the public and when people look at the reports and see the man who started NATSAP is responsible for the problems in the reports it makes them want to avoid the "guilt by association" factor.  So they drop out of NATSAP because of this and also because of the awful problems at many NATSAP-approved facilities.  The ones who haven't yet been caught for abuse don't want to be associated with the ones who have, many of which carry the NATSAP seal of approval, so the connection is there.
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That is much better, DJ.  You expressed an opinion and the readers can accept that, myself included.  I dont agree with all of what you said but I respect your right to your opinion.
The problem I have is when people attack a program with lies and try to present them as facts.



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If he wasn't telling the truth, why were the lawsuits successful?  You deny the past because the past is connected to the present.  Natsap still exists.  When it comes to Straight Inc, you'll try to win some over by expressing /some/ sympathy and saying things were done wrong but I don't think i've ever heard you criticize a current program.  This is the exact same pattern as your run of the mill educational consultant.  I have archived a Lon Woodbury review of Paradise Cove giving it glowing reviews.  Turns out it wasn't much of a paradise...  more of an inferno for those put there.  But at the time it was a wonderful program.  Cedu was open for quite some time too.

Parents should wonder about where their kids are at now, but the'll be conned.  The excesses you claim no longer exist somehow happened at an Aspen program in Oregon.  You insulted those who suffered at Aarc.  You defend the worst of the worst and act like there's nothing at all wrong with what those kids went through.  You pretend this doesn't happen anymore. You call them liars.  To you the past is irrelevant.  You claim they changed but where is the proof, other than your word which has historically had it's weaknesses to put it diplomatically.  You can't deny that all these kids are saying the exact same thing year after year, generation after generation of program.  They cannot all be lying because if they were their stories would not match.

And you always neglect to mention that NATSAP is merely a trade organization and many of these places have little or no real accreditation.
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