Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
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Whooter:
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I was lead to believe that the counselors were more on a consulting bases. Yes they did have certain students to deal with but they also worked elsewhere other then Swift. They had there own practice or counseling sessions aside from Swift. That they only gave Swift so many hours a week.
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When my daughter was there they had licensed therapists who were not on staff with the school come in to handle the individual therapy, they had their own private practice and not all the kids had individual therapy at that time (only if the parents opted for it) and the therapists would invoice the parents and were paid directly by the parents not through the school. These therapists would communicate with the childs therapist at home in an effort to work together and communicate progress. These therapists were never listed on ASR's web site , as I remember, because they were not employees of Aspen.
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Dysfunction Junction:
When in doubt I like to go back to the original statements. Here's Whooter's original statement that says the MAJORITY of wilderness programs have MULTIPLE BOARD CERTIFIED COUNSELORS and that the people who work directly with the kids are LICENSED.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Most of the wilderness programs have licensed personnel which are with the kids and are backed up with Board certified counselors.
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Since Whooter made this claim he was able to provide one single program with one single board certified counselor who appears not be be licensed in any way and did not show that there were any licensed providers with the kids in the field, as he originally claimed.
So we can all agree that if Whooter actually had any evidence to support his assertion above he would have posted that. It's clear he does not and that's why he has changed the subject and purposely derailed the thread with off-topic nonsense.
This claim by Whooter can officially be declared utterly false until such a time that Whooter can provide evidence that more than half of all wilderness programs employ more than one board certified counselor and that all people working in the field with the kids are licensed providers.
Whooter:
Lets take another look:
Residential Program Example:
click “Faculty & staff Bio’s”
Link
Even the guy who drives the van is listed.
Wilderness Program Example:
Link
Click at the bottom for "complete staff list"
Even the housekeeper is listed!
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---I have never, ever seen a single "Board Certified Counselor" and here you're claiming most wilderness programs have them backing up "licensed personnel"? I call bullshit.
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Read it and weep, DJ:
Link
Leah is a Certified Counselor with the National Board of Certified Counselors, has a Masters of Science Degree in Community Counseling,
Well what do ya know...."Board Certified Counselors"
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Dysfunction Junction:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---When in doubt I like to go back to the original statements. Here's Whooter's original statement that says the MAJORITY of wilderness programs have MULTIPLE BOARD CERTIFIED COUNSELORS and that the people who work directly with the kids are LICENSED.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Most of the wilderness programs have licensed personnel which are with the kids and are backed up with Board certified counselors.
--- End quote ---
Since Whooter made this claim he was able to provide one single program with one single board certified counselor who appears not be be licensed in any way and did not show that there were any licensed providers with the kids in the field, as he originally claimed.
So we can all agree that if Whooter actually had any evidence to support his assertion above he would have posted that. It's clear he does not and that's why he has changed the subject and purposely derailed the thread with off-topic nonsense.
This claim by Whooter can officially be declared utterly false until such a time that Whooter can provide evidence that more than half of all wilderness programs employ more than one board certified counselor and that all people working in the field with the kids are licensed providers.
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I'll take Whooter's last post as an admission that he has no evidence of his claims. We can wait for him to give us a rundown on the staffs of the rest of the wilderness programs operating in the US.
If Whooter wants us to believe that if one single program has one single certified counselor that it means "most wilderness programs have multiple board certified counselors" then we ought to be able to conlcude that if one wilderness program kills one kid that the majority of wilderness programs kill multiple kids. See the obvious fallacy in Whooter's intentionally misleading posts?
We'll wait for Whooter to show evidence of his claims, but until then we can all agree that he just made up those claims from thin air. when he stops trying to wiggle out of it and back pedal he will either have the evidence or will have been shown to be lying again, which would be no real surprise.
No offense, Whooter, but we can't take your word for it, based on your past lies and deceptions.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
No offense, Whooter, but we can't take your word for it.....
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No offense taken, DJ, I understand your dilemma. I believe we should all provide links to back up what we state and that we should not take everyones' post at face value. I think we can both agree on this point. You had indicated in a previous post that you never saw a program which had a board certified counselor. The first one that I pulled up had a board certified Counselor on staff. Which I presented here:
Link
Leah is a Certified Counselor with the National Board of Certified Counselors, has a Masters of Science Degree in Community Counseling......
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