Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
ASR Alumni Interview
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
Can't backtrack on something you already admitted, asswipe. PM me again and see what happens. Or are you chicken? Or just a liar? Or both? ; )
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Oh No! are you going to cry about the dozens of PM's you claim I send you every day?
lol Sorry DJ, I just needed to expose you. When psy mentioned that you would have to start proving the whole PM problem where you claimed I was PMing (dozens per day that you claim) by allowing him access to your PM's you clammed up. He told you that you could not photoshop PM's as proof.
So now you start crying that I sent you dozens of PM's a day again and I ask you to provide just 12 in the past year.. any 12 PM's lol and you run off again. Who will you become now? "Dysfunction Yeoman"? Why do you always want the readers to feel sorry for you? Like you are being picked on by Bad Whooter.
I noticed that you interacted with other people today without all of them being attacks and you stuck with one log-in the whole day. So we know you can do it. Pick a name, be honest and just interact with the rest of us and tell us how you feel on the various topics. We can always use another point of view.... and give up your PM infatuation!!! lol
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Antigen:
--- Quote from: "TheWhooter" ---Why are her words spam but Anne Bonneys words or your words not spam?
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Well, for one thing a lot of us know each other. Anne used to openly post under her real name, even providing her maiden name in order to find and reconnect with old friends. Lot of us have done that. Over the years a lot of us have become friends. Real live, face to face, in real life parties, memorials and other social connects. Some folks even remember Anne from back in the warehouse in St. Pete. And anyone can look up her father's and lots of other program vets' families in newspaper archives and corporate records. So these stories are verifiable and/or corroborated.
No one's making any money on negative information published about this industry. In fact a fair number of people have spent substantial amounts of their personal money to leak this information. When I did try to run commercial advertising, the only ads that came up were for the industry until word got out among the industry and most blocked their ads from appearing anywhere on fornits.com. So then we only got public service ads and never did make any money, even though our traffic was hitting 300k unique visitors per day. Evidently there is absolutely no commercial value to the content on this site.
It's not only about straight cash, either. We've been sued and threatened with legal action, hacked, fraudulently kicked off of servers, shut down via dubious legal claims, etc. Just like WikiLeaks.org. So what is the incentive to say these things and to stand by them with no compensation and, often, at considerable monetary and personal expense?
Question for ya, Whooter. If I were to go ahead and take your offer on FIOS, can I pay for it in Trident Stripes?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---
Well, for one thing a lot of us know each other. Anne used to openly post under her real name, even providing her maiden name in order to find and reconnect with old friends. Lot of us have done that. Over the years a lot of us have become friends. Real live, face to face, in real life parties, memorials and other social connects. Some folks even remember Anne from back in the warehouse in St. Pete. And anyone can look up her father's and lots of other program vets' families in newspaper archives and corporate records. So these stories are verifiable and/or corroborated.
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You guys know each other, but a new reader here doesnt know if your story or Anne Bonney is real or not. I am sure the girl who was in the ASR interview has friends that could verify her story also. Because we dont know her personally or her real name doesnt mean her story is spam or untrue. Almost all the stories on fornits are unverified.
--- Quote ---No one's making any money on negative information published about this industry. In fact a fair number of people have spent substantial amounts of their personal money to leak this information. When I did try to run commercial advertising, the only ads that came up were for the industry until word got out among the industry and most blocked their ads from appearing anywhere on fornits.com. So then we only got public service ads and never did make any money, even though our traffic was hitting 300k unique visitors per day. Evidently there is absolutely no commercial value to the content on this site.
It's not only about straight cash, either. We've been sued and threatened with legal action, hacked, fraudulently kicked off of servers, shut down via dubious legal claims, etc. Just like WikiLeaks.org. So what is the incentive to say these things and to stand by them with no compensation and, often, at considerable monetary and personal expense?
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I have read the hardships you guys have been through and you held on tight. I think this site has a knack for surviving. But if you were making money I dont think you would view yourself as less credible or as spam. I think many people view marketing as a bad thing. Everyone markets even your writer friend Maia.
--- Quote ---Question for ya, Whooter. If I were to go ahead and take your offer on FIOS, can I pay for it in Trident Stripes?
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I have no idea what this means. I dont remember making any offers on FIOS (which is the telephone I believe you are saying). But you and I have never spoke over the phone. I dont know what "Trident Stripes" means.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
However, I vote to leave it to show the lengths that programs will go to in order to quash the truth and up their enrollment.
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I vote to leave it in too. How about a child who didnt do well in a program? Should we toss those stories out? They have a reason to embellish the truth a bit to try to discredit the program they were in (maybe knock the whole industry down a little to get even with them). Should we disregard all stories for 20 years until we are sure the brainwashing has worn off. Some kids may think they were abused today but 15 years from now they may realize they put their parents thru hell and deserved the placement and what they thought was abuse was really just a highly structured environment they were not use to which helped them survive a tumulus adolescence and get them back on track.
Maybe we should not vote at all, maybe the fair thing to do is accept everyones story and let the individual readers decide which one they feel are credible.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Maybe we should not vote at all, maybe the fair thing to do is accept everyones story and let the individual readers decide which one they feel are credible.
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But you're not doing that. You're cherry picking OTHER people's stories, not even your own and picking them from the marketing website for the program.
When you can speak of what it's like to be trapped inside one of those places for a couple of years, then you can post about your own experience with it.
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