WWASP- Abusing teens since 1987

[Anonymous]

Karen, are parents required to go to the Seminars and how much do they cost?

[Anonymous]

- I wasn't alarmed. I had gone as long as that several times in the past with out a phone call (when he was at summer camp) and so didn't think this was a problem

Karen you can try an rationlalize it any way you want, but no matter what your excuse may be, it just does not fly.  Example look at what you wrote above.  Then tell yourself that the same considerations should be given to the two senarios.

[Antigen]

Anyone got copies of training materials for ed consultants? Having not seen them, I'd be willing to take a blind bet that they include something similar to a line in SAFE, Orlando's training sheet on public speaking.

They explicityly state (or stated. They may have changed it by now) that when audience members ask questions not covered in the scripted presentation, the parent or client speaker is to refer them to an intake coordinator or supervisor. It goes on to explain that if you tell them too much, they might get scared off and asks "If you knew what you were getting into, would you have agreed to it?"

Of course you wouldn't! Behavior modification doesn't work if the subject understands the process.

There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:56 ]

[Anonymous]

Karen you said: "Oh, it flys allright - otherwise WWASP wouldn't have grown to mamoth proportions and have multipul thousands of kids in their care."

No it doesn't fly.  You were not sending your child to camp to have a good time...you sent your child to a program to straighten him out.

Just because there are other suckers out there just like you...certainly does not validate what you did.  Maybe it makes you feel better to know there are others...but I still say you are the minority and that most parents have better sense.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:57 ]

[Anonymous]

Other Anon, who asked about Discovery -I forget to answer this part - No, the parents do not Have to attend. However to take part in the parent child weekends you must have been threw at least Discovery; So actually, Discovery is mandatory.

Who here is brainwashed?  "I suppose if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

Sure is funny how you seem to see yourself at the mercy of "the program."

[Anonymous]

What program? You mean a WWASP prison with 5 "programs" already shut down cause of abuse!

  ::bigsmilebounce::

[Anonymous]

What program? You mean a WWASP prison with 5 "programs" already shut down cause of abuse!

My point was...Karen was always in control..she was not brainwashed...she was not at the mercy of "the program." She was always in control of the situation and yet she acts as though she herself had been brainwashed.

Her problem is she does not need proof of anything.  She can be told anything about something and automatically she jumps right on the bandwagon...with really nothing to go on but what she has been told.  Next thing you know she is an expert on the topic.  

Her son ended up in a program.  She did about the same amount of investigating the program at  Dundee, in a foreign country, that she did investigating the summer camp she sent him to.  She said so herself.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 17:59 ]

[Anonymous]

Karen - you said you never attended :wink:  the adult personal growth seminars in a thread some time ago.  Many think that the seminars brainwash parents into thinking they need to keep their kid in the program, which they don't...but say if they did, then you were not brainwashed as you never attended one, right?

[Carey]

Your right about this ; But what you so stubbornly don't see, is this was not the intent or understanding of the parents who try the Program.

Karen, you can only speak for yourself.  You can not tell me or anyone else what the other parents understanding is or was.

No one would agree to the kind of cutting off thats actually takes place if they understood it from the start.

I think it is funny that you say this.  You know why?  The reason is, and so you will know,  I too am very much against these programs, however, probably 90% or more of the parents that I have spoken with in regard to the limited communication and the length of time that lapsed before they were able to talk to their child, chose to leave their child in the program for much longer than what the "enrollment agreement" stated was the norm.  Why did such a high number  of these now disgruntle parents go along with it when it became a reality?  So as you say "no one would agree to the kind of cutting off thats actually takes place" then why did it take them so long, like months, to say "hey something is not right here."

I agree in a moment of desparation a parent might make a poor decision about the placement of their child in a program, but after the dust settles why do they then not start to see the signs?  Why has it taken a lot of these disgruntle parents so long to see what was happening?

We even know of one parent, someone you and I both know, who made trips to Dundee, and yet left her child there for a year, and is now speaking out against them.  WHY?  Why did it take a year?  Why did it take Amberly 6 months, after resigning (a total of 10 -12 if you add her time at Dundee) to speak out against Dundee?  Why with what all has been discovered did it take these two people so long to speak out?  Were they afraid for themselves?  That is the only thing I can figure.  Here you have two adults, actually three given Randall, who could have saved a lot of children a lot of pain and suffering much sooner.

I am so tired of adults who now play the blame game and today act as though they are so righteous.  Once again, I think it is a save your butt senario, just like the PURE save your butt senario.  I question whether any of these individuals motive is that of protecting children.

[Anonymous]

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[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 18:01 ]

[Carey]

If you really want to know, and aren?t just looking for yet another person to unjustly besmirch

I have not unjustly "besmirched" anyone, not even you.

Maybe you can tell me where anything I have said has been unjust since you seem to think my stating facts and asking question is unjust in your opinion.

Maybe they, meaning Amberly and Marth can explain the answers to my questions, because I know you don't know anything about anything... I know that you only know what someone else tells you.