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Offline Whooter

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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2010, 04:04:03 PM »
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Then why do you do it, Whooter?

Do what?



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #91 on: November 08, 2010, 04:07:49 PM »
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Then why do you do it, Whooter?

Do what?

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Ridicule and antagonize people who were abused as children.  Why do you do that?  How big a hole do you have in your soul?  Does this help to fill it?
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #92 on: November 08, 2010, 04:10:51 PM »
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Then why do you do it, Whooter?

Do what?

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Ridicule and antagonize people who were abused as children.  Why do you do that?

I would never do anything like that.  Anyone who has read my posts know that isnt something I would do.



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #93 on: November 08, 2010, 04:17:54 PM »
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Then why do you do it, Whooter?

Do what?

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Ridicule and antagonize people who were abused as children.  Why do you do that?

I would never do anything like that.  Anyone who has read my posts know that isnt something I would do.



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Okay.... anyone who has read your posts knows that you do this every day, you just did it 5 minutes ago.  I hope you work through your loneliness and feelings of inadequacy but I don't think that attacking abuse survivors is a valid form of self therapy.  May you be "escorted" by left wing guerillas.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #94 on: November 08, 2010, 04:18:28 PM »
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Quote from: "Shadyacres"
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Then why do you do it, Whooter?

Do what?

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Ridicule and antagonize people who were abused as children.  Why do you do that?

I would never do anything like that.  Anyone who has read my posts know that isnt something I would do.

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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #95 on: November 08, 2010, 04:21:40 PM »
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Nutty post. Whooter the most inflammatory and ever present poster on Fornits thinks Anne is the attention ho. WTF?  But seriously, I am wondering if you can actually answer a direct question directly.

Why are you here when you have no respect for the site or its posters? Or even more succinctly:
WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Please, answer this question honestly and directly. This will probably be the most poignant response you'll make all day. Come'on.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #96 on: November 08, 2010, 04:30:50 PM »
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Okay.... anyone who has read your posts knows that you do this every day, you just did it 5 minutes ago.

Ha,Ha,Ha Thats funny!  This is what I mean about the attention stuff.  If someone is going to start spreading lies about me then I will retaliate, yes.  

 
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I hope you work through your loneliness and feelings of inadequacy but I don't think that attacking abuse survivors is a valid form of self therapy.

BooHoo,  You can say what ever you want about me and make up stories but the minute I defend myself you see it as attacking abuse survivors.  I love the double standard here.  You rarely hear anyone saying "Hey, why are you ganging up on a program parent"?  I think in 99% of the cases I was attacked before I retaliated.


 
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May you be "escorted" by left wing guerillas.

Thank you for not saying "Kidnapped" !!



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2010, 04:55:45 PM »
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Quote from: "Samara"
Nutty post. Whooter the most inflammatory and ever present poster on Fornits thinks Anne is the attention ho. WTF?  But seriously, I am wondering if you can actually answer a direct question directly.

Why are you here when you have no respect for the site or its posters? Or even more succinctly:
WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Please, answer this question honestly and directly. This will probably be the most poignant response you'll make all day. Come'on.

I stumbled upon fornits 5 years ago and witnessed an extremely biased and uninformed group talking about Therapeutic boarding Schools.  They were comparing them to brainwashing in Korea and were saying that kids were locked up and abused.  This intrigued me and I stuck around and read for about a month or so before I posted.
I post here to add an updated perspective and fill a void of understanding that is missing.  Most of us can agree that current Therpeutic Boarding schools are not well represented here and many of the frequent posters are from straight or WWASPS programs from the past and many people view the industry from that perspective.
I was also taken back by how threatened people here were at the sight of credible information, studies and statistics that were brought up and the amount of time and energy that was spent to discredit the studies and books versus the amount of effort it takes to actually read them and discuss the findings.
Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated.  So I stuck around and have been posting ever since.



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #98 on: November 08, 2010, 05:29:18 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "heretik"
Quote from: "Samara"
Nutty post. Whooter the most inflammatory and ever present poster on Fornits thinks Anne is the attention ho. WTF?  But seriously, I am wondering if you can actually answer a direct question directly.

Why are you here when you have no respect for the site or its posters? Or even more succinctly:
WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Please, answer this question honestly and directly. This will probably be the most poignant response you'll make all day. Come'on.

I stumbled upon fornits 5 years ago and witnessed an extremely biased and uninformed group talking about Therapeutic boarding Schools.  They were comparing them to brainwashing in Korea and were saying that kids were locked up and abused.  This intrigued me and I stuck around and read for about a month or so before I posted.
I post here to add an updated perspective and fill a void of understanding that is missing.  Most of us can agree that current Therpeutic Boarding schools are not well represented here and many of the frequent posters are from straight or WWASPS programs from the past and many people view the industry from that perspective.
I was also taken back by how threatened people here were at the sight of credible information, studies and statistics that were brought up and the amount of time and energy that was spent to discredit the studies and books versus the amount of effort it takes to actually read them and discuss the findings.
Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated.  So I stuck around and have been posting ever since.

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Ha,Ha,Ha.  Whooter that is 20 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.  So, because you are a good citizen, you log on here EVERY DAY to fill the void in our biased and uninformed understanding?  How is your understanding informed or unbiased?  You consistently refuse to admit the possibility of abuse at a program UNLESS IT HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN ALREADY.  And what credible information are you talking about?  We don't have to wonder why a certain group of people try so hard to keep the information we have from being discussed or validated.  You are not the first poster to be identified as a program affiliate, far from it.  So why does this industry care so much about this forum, if we are so "biased and uninformed".  If the industry has changed that much, why are they so threatened by what only we, and they, know?
 Do you see what I mean?
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #99 on: November 08, 2010, 05:50:16 PM »
Hell,it's not even daily... its minute by minute. On the weekends. NO normal person would LIVE at this site if they thought it was full of crap.

And who are YOU, Scrooter, to tell anyone when the time limit is to "get over it" ... you weren't even in the program and you're not over it because you come here every freaking day, all day, every day... This is NOT NORMAL! You have ZERO credibility.

Do you even do anything productive? Work, volunteer, eat, screw? Is this the sum total of your existence? Bashing people on a survivor site?
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2010, 05:52:18 PM »
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Ha,Ha,Ha.  Whooter that is 20 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.  So, because you are a good citizen, you log on here EVERY DAY to fill the void in our biased and uninformed understanding?  How is your understanding informed or unbiased?  You consistently refuse to admit the possibility of abuse at a program UNLESS IT HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN ALREADY.

See, this is the perception you have.  But I challenge you to find a single post where I said that or implied that.  I have always maintained that some programs abuse kids.  The challenge on your end it to admit that some programs do not!!  lol


 
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And what credible information are you talking about?  We don't have to wonder why a certain group of people try so hard to keep the information we have from being discussed or validated.  You are not the first poster to be identified as a program affiliate, far from it.

I have put forth ideas of collecting information on programs, number of suicides, number of deaths... I ended up doing it myself because no one was interested.  Then everyone ran from the results.  There were books written by credible authors who spent time inside a program and wrote about it which I wanted placed on the book list.  Oh my goodness, that fell on deaf ears... students who did studies and independent studies...  the results did not line up well here so no one looked at them.....just to name a few.

 
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So why does this industry care so much about this forum, if we are so "biased and uninformed".  If the industry has changed that much, why are they so threatened by what only we, and they, know?
 Do you see what I mean?

No I dont,  I havent seen any articles or indication that the industry is interested in fornits at all.  Do you mean the Sue scheff postings?  I wasnt around I dont think back then.



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2010, 05:56:45 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "heretik"
Quote from: "Samara"
Nutty post. Whooter the most inflammatory and ever present poster on Fornits thinks Anne is the attention ho. WTF?  But seriously, I am wondering if you can actually answer a direct question directly.

Why are you here when you have no respect for the site or its posters? Or even more succinctly:
WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Please, answer this question honestly and directly. This will probably be the most poignant response you'll make all day. Come'on.

I stumbled upon fornits 5 years ago and witnessed an extremely biased and uninformed group talking about Therapeutic boarding Schools.  They were comparing them to brainwashing in Korea and were saying that kids were locked up and abused.  This intrigued me and I stuck around and read for about a month or so before I posted.
I post here to add an updated perspective and fill a void of understanding that is missing.  Most of us can agree that current Therpeutic Boarding schools are not well represented here and many of the frequent posters are from straight or WWASPS programs from the past and many people view the industry from that perspective.
I was also taken back by how threatened people here were at the sight of credible information, studies and statistics that were brought up and the amount of time and energy that was spent to discredit the studies and books versus the amount of effort it takes to actually read them and discuss the findings.
Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated.  So I stuck around and have been posting ever since.

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Whooter, this explanation you just gave sounds like a punishment we are receiving because we react very passionately about a sin that was committed against us. We do not want to be challenged or discredited by someone who has no real vested interest in this industry.
So you had all these reactions from posters explaining their experiences and it rubbed you the wrong way. You found them to be narrow minded, emotional, quick to anger when agitated, I don't know what you expected from a Web Site dedicated to victims of abuse from treatment centers.
Can you stop for one second and consider that what you are doing is hurting others, I mean in five years you have not even for one nano-second questioned yourself and said,"hey is what I'm doing here helping the general population". Do you even care?
Think....
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2010, 06:06:35 PM »
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Whooter, this explanation you just gave sounds like a punishment we are receiving because we react very passionately about a sin that was committed against us. We do not want to be challenged or discredited by someone who has no real vested interest in this industry.

Why not? (Well not discredited)  Why not get all the different perspectives that you can?



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So you had all these reactions from posters explaining their experiences and it rubbed you the wrong way. You found them to be narrow minded, emotional, quick to anger when agitated, I don't know what you expected from a Web Site dedicated to victims of abuse from treatment centers.
Can you stop for one second and consider that what you are doing is hurting others, I mean in five years you have not even for one nano-second questioned yourself and said,"hey is what I'm doing here helping the general population". Do you even care?
Think....

Of course I care that is why I am here.  Would you want the readers to just receive one perspective from fornits?  If you visited a website where you were trying to get an idea about an industry wouldn’t you want to be in a forum that had representatives from differing opinions?
If you were going to buy a car you wouldn’t want to just talk to those people who were in car accidents would you?  You would want to talk to people who were satisfied with their purchase also so that you could get a more broader and balanced perspective.



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2010, 06:11:15 PM »
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I stumbled upon fornits 5 years ago and witnessed an extremely biased and uninformed group talking about Therapeutic boarding Schools.  They were comparing them to brainwashing in Korea and were saying that kids were locked up and abused.  This intrigued me and I stuck around and read for about a month or so before I posted.
I post here to add an updated perspective and fill a void of understanding that is missing.  Most of us can agree that current Therpeutic Boarding schools are not well represented here and many of the frequent posters are from straight or WWASPS programs from the past and many people view the industry from that perspective.
I was also taken back by how threatened people here were at the sight of credible information, studies and statistics that were brought up and the amount of time and energy that was spent to discredit the studies and books versus the amount of effort it takes to actually read them and discuss the findings.
Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated.  So I stuck around and have been posting ever since.


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Oh my dear god. This is the funniest thing you have ever written. Talk about your great works of fiction.
Credible information? I have seen you provide no credible info, ever. Not even a vowel.
Fill a void of misunderstanding? You are emptying a void Whooter, somehow you manage to spill shit from the void between your ears. This is an amazing work of physics, and I think you should get a prize for it. Here ya go ::puke::
I think your last statement/question is a good one. Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated? Well, since there is a great deal of belief that you are here protecting a program lined pocketbook, the answer is :jamin:  drumroll please..... A BILLION dollar industry covering its ass.

Please show me one shred of credible information Whooter, that means something pro-program that has no monetary kickback for being so.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #104 on: November 08, 2010, 06:33:12 PM »
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Oh my dear god. This is the funniest thing you have ever written. Talk about your great works of fiction.
Credible information? I have seen you provide no credible info, ever. Not even a vowel.
Fill a void of misunderstanding? You are emptying a void Whooter, somehow you manage to spill shit from the void between your ears. This is an amazing work of physics, and I think you should get a prize for it. Here ya go ::puke::
I think your last statement/question is a good one. Why would a group of people try so hard to keep information from being discussed or validated? Well, since there is a great deal of belief that you are here protecting a program lined pocketbook, the answer is :jamin:  drumroll please..... A BILLION dollar industry covering its ass.

Please show me one shred of credible information Whooter, that means something pro-program that has no monetary kickback for being so.

Thank you Gonzo for that demonstration of how myself and many others were received when we spoke about our experiences which stated that not all programs were abusive.  Gonzotherapy represents the fornits mentality.

Now imagine for a minute if I treated a survivors story that way?  Laughed, called the poster a joke.  Do you think fornits is unbiased enough to be equally appalled at the treatment I just received from Gonzotherapy?  I did find a survivor post to be so outrageous that I poked fun at it and you would have thought I shot someone!  People wanted me banned and thrown off the forum.  What do you think the chances are of anyone coming forward against Gonzotherapy?  Lol..  correct.  Geesh even a kid Named BillS is being saddled with accusations of being brainwashed because his story doesn’t fit with the standard narrative.
Imagine for a minute how well a study is received here which shows the programs to be successful?  Or a book by a Pulitzer prized author who spent 14 months inside a program and reported his findings or a graduate student who does a study and reports positive results.  Do you think people here will take the time to read them or spend time trying to find a way to discredit the information.  I think we both know how the time is spent.

So when you ask me why I post here it is easy to see that there is a ton of mis information being passed around because a large portion of information is buried or ignored.  To my knowledge I am the only one who presents the studies,books or anything non-negative towards the program to fornits readers.



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