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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2010, 07:12:27 PM »
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Thank you Gonzo for that demonstration of how myself and many others were received when we spoke about our experiences which stated that not all programs were abusive.  Gonzotherapy represents the fornits mentality.

Now imagine for a minute if I treated a survivors story that way?  Laughed, called the poster a joke.  Do you think fornits is unbiased enough to be equally appalled at the treatment I just received from Gonzotherapy?  I did find a survivor post to be so outrageous that I poked fun at it and you would have thought I shot someone!  People wanted me banned and thrown off the forum.  What do you think the chances are of anyone coming forward against Gonzotherapy?  Lol..  correct.  Geesh even a kid Named BillS is being saddled with accusations of being brainwashed because his story doesn’t fit with the standard narrative.
Imagine for a minute how well a study is received here which shows the programs to be successful?  Or a book by a Pulitzer prized author who spent 14 months inside a program and reported his findings or a graduate student who does a study and reports positive results.  Do you think people here will take the time to read them or spend time trying to find a way to discredit the information.  I think we both know how the time is spent.

So when you ask me why I post here it is easy to see that there is a ton of mis information being passed around because a large portion of information is buried or ignored.  To my knowledge I am the only one who presents the studies,books or anything non-negative towards the program to fornits readers.

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WHAT? What studies? What books? You mean program financed advertisements? Hardly biased. You are a joke because you provide no credible evidence whatsoever, and when faced with credible evidence against programs, of which there are mountains, you either side-step completely or flat out lie with no proof to back up your claims. You are so obviously monetarily motivated to be here.

Now understand this. A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome. There are some reasons why people can be successful after leaving a program. Some people can hang with horrid conditions and abuse. I have yet to see one shred of evidence from you that verifies any program is helpful and not abusive. And honestly I believe there may be one out there. But it is not involved with larger corporations as a franchise. Like WWASPS, or Aspen Education. Those are businesses and their only motivation is money, so why would they not cut corners to make more money. How many programs have been shut down over abuse? Hundreds. If not thousands.

I believe you made a comment about how WWASPS is headed out and programs do not do those things anymore.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szal ... 71379.html
WWASPS is losing some battles but is still operating and making money.
They use the same techniques that many of these other schools use, they just have different names.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2010, 07:30:47 PM »
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I have shown that survivors do lie. I know that you dont like it. But do you really expect to make readers believe that survivors are the only segment of society which do not contain members who lie? Pretty far fetched to me, especially with the evidence that I have provided with utilizing the fornits database only.


No, you haven't. There hasn't been any evidence. Once again if you'd like stick with these standards of yours we can. but you won't like where it goes. Stop playing games, or stop talking.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2010, 07:39:56 PM »
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Now understand this. A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome.

Heretik, come-on,how can you question why I come to fornits and post here after reading the stuff Gonzo posts?   How can anyone pass up reading this? Gonzotherapy is the face of fornits.  This is the mentality that the average person sees when they come to fornits.  

If you went to a Ford forum and they had people like Gonzo who was telling everyone that every car was defective and you will be hurt if you drive one.  He would tell you that all the studies showing safety ratings were financed by the car companies.  Dont be fooled people by those few drivers who say they like Ford cars because:  "A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome." (classic).  It takes up to 20 years for the real effects of auto driving wears off and you can realize the damage done.

Thanks Gonzo!



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2010, 10:44:10 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Now understand this. A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome.



If you went to a Ford forum and they had people like Gonzo who was telling everyone that every car was defective and you will be hurt if you drive one.  He would tell you that all the studies showing safety ratings were financed by the car companies.  Dont be fooled people by those few drivers who say they like Ford cars because:  "A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome." (classic).  It takes up to 20 years for the real effects of auto driving wears off and you can realize the damage done.

Thanks Gonzo!
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What does this have to do with being forced to make my bed?  Or potty training?  You are too hard to follow Whooter.  Why is Ford keeping POW's? Are they making cars that isolate and demoralize teenagers?  No wonder they are at war.  If you produce, provide or market a product  that does that to people you should expect people to make war on you.
Do you see what I mean?
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Offline Whooter

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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2010, 10:57:40 PM »
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Now understand this. A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome.



If you went to a Ford forum and they had people like Gonzo who was telling everyone that every car was defective and you will be hurt if you drive one.  He would tell you that all the studies showing safety ratings were financed by the car companies.  Dont be fooled people by those few drivers who say they like Ford cars because:  "A POW can come out of a POW camp and be successful. There is also Stockholm syndrome." (classic).  It takes up to 20 years for the real effects of auto driving wears off and you can realize the damage done.

Thanks Gonzo!
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What does this have to do with being forced to make my bed?  Or potty training?  You are too hard to follow Whooter.  Why is Ford keeping POW's? Are they making cars that isolate and demoralize teenagers?  No wonder they are at war.  If you produce, provide or market a product  that does that to people you should expect people to make war on you.
Do you see what I mean?

Ha,Ha,Ha, That's funny!



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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2010, 11:07:07 PM »
Do you find that as funny as the post about the kid being tortured whom you later laughed at.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2010, 11:10:55 PM »
Any second now Whooter is going to provide some actual evidence to support his claim.



Any second now.......
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #112 on: November 09, 2010, 11:53:25 AM »
The Sex Pistols wrote a song about lying..
(now if someone could pull those lyrics up, please)
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #113 on: November 09, 2010, 03:07:42 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
The Sex Pistols wrote a song about lying..
(now if someone could pull those lyrics up, please)

Liar
Lie lie lie lie liar you lie
Lie lie lie lie lie tell me why
Tell me why why d'you have to lie
Should've realised that you
Should've told the truth
Should've realised you know what i'll do

You're in suspension you're a liar

Now i wanna know know i wanna known why
You never look me in the face
Broke a confidence just to please your ego
Should've realised you know what i know

I know where you go everybody you know
I know everything that you do or say
So when you tell lies i always be in your way
I'm nobody's fool and i know all cos i know
What i know

Lie lie lie liar you lie lie lie lie
I think you're funny you're funny ha ha
I don't need it don't need your blah blah
Should've realised i know what you are

You're in suspension you're a liar
You're a liar
You're a lie
Lie lie lie





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LIAR
« Reply #114 on: November 09, 2010, 03:22:19 PM »
Thanks, Whooter.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #115 on: November 09, 2010, 07:08:23 PM »
any second now his evidence will be revealed.....
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #116 on: November 09, 2010, 10:33:03 PM »
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Quote from: "Shadyacres"
So, we have established that, as a rule, survivors do not lie, unlike program staff and supporters.  Whooter has repeatedly failed to cite any program survivor ever lying about their experiences.  Maybe Whooter will enlighten us as to why he consistently and stubbornly clings to his unjustifiable and unprovable position that survivors lie.

I am not saying all survivors lie, but some do.  I am not sure why they do or if they lie at a higher rate than non survivors or program staff and supporters do.

Maybe you missed the post earlier but we had a survivor who indicated that he saw quite a bit of lying going on onside of programs.  We had a post by Gonzo who is a survivor also who supports that survivors have lied here on fornits.

BillS (also a survivor who attended 2 Aspen programs for 4 years) recently posted:

Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

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Stop lying!
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RIP Steve Matthews and all those we have lost along the way!

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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #117 on: November 09, 2010, 10:53:07 PM »
Whooter if you can take just a quick second away from not providing any evidence to back up your claims, I wanted to let you know I responded to your PM over in your PM thread on OFFA. You should go check it out, but try and keep your responses over there. In case you've forgotten here was your PM from when you mistakenly believed you'd somehow convinced anyone you aren't John Reuben.

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To my 2 trolls:

Victory!!! Thank you!! Just to show you I am a nice guy:

I wanted to welcome you both back to fornits. DJ, Troll Control, Watchful Yeoman Etal and to RobertBruce. Now that we have the whole John Reuben fiasco behind us I thought that you may want to join the rest of us in constructive conversation. You spent years thinking I was this guy, trolling and making links back to a “John Reuben“ themed thread and now have to readjust to reality. Your head must be spinning thinking of the time you spent (wasted)… lol. Bruce you even wrote emails to this guys family members!! Do you feel a little foolish? What an ass you are.

Oh wait, maybe you can save face out on the open forum and tell people that I hired a replacement to spend time on fornits while Reuben ran the race like Bruce stated earlier!!

I tried to tell you years ago that this was not me, but I quickly realized that you needed to find out for yourself and eventually you would (like you have now). It was fun watching Lenny and Squiggy take turns trying to prove I was John Reuben but I also take delight in being the first one to say “I told you so!” Ha,Ha,Ha.

You both reside in the OFFA thread for the most part because, lets face it, you cannot communicate more than a post or 2 in a debate without asking repeated questions or attacking someone.

I fully realize that you will try to save face and push forward with your attacks and try to convince people that I am this John Reuben person… But between the 3 of us we know the truth and I just wanted to say:

“Ha,Ha,Ha,” !!!!

Steve: I really enjoyed those hours leading up to your posts being exposed when you didn’t want to commit and then suddenly your disgusting porn posts became public along with your Concerned Parent posts and the rest. I counted dozens of edited and deleted posts of your desperation (but not before you could erase them all I captured the lions share of your filth). Keep changing those user names!

30 day Bruce: What can I say except get a life and try to be yourself. You would not believe the number of PM’s and emails I received over the years asking me what your problem was. Remember when you use to come up with a list of 10 questions every week? What was up with that behavior? You are probably a good guy but you suck at trying to have a civil conversation with anyone. Someday maybe we will talk again but you need to get help first.

Wait one more time!! This is to both of you.. straight on:

“Ha,Ha,Ha,” !!!!


Get on it Whootie.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2010, 11:03:29 PM »
Where are my manners? Here's the link to that post, and the subsequent response you felt should be made public instead of in PMs. I'm not sure why you'd want to be embarrassed in such an open forum, but then again I'm sure you're used to it by now.

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31630

Get to it Whootie.
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Re: Do Survivors Lie: Part III (The Aplogy)
« Reply #119 on: November 10, 2010, 06:37:42 AM »
Quote from: "webdiva"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
So, we have established that, as a rule, survivors do not lie, unlike program staff and supporters.  Whooter has repeatedly failed to cite any program survivor ever lying about their experiences.  Maybe Whooter will enlighten us as to why he consistently and stubbornly clings to his unjustifiable and unprovable position that survivors lie.

I am not saying all survivors lie, but some do.  I am not sure why they do or if they lie at a higher rate than non survivors or program staff and supporters do.

Maybe you missed the post earlier but we had a survivor who indicated that he saw quite a bit of lying going on onside of programs.  We had a post by Gonzo who is a survivor also who supports that survivors have lied here on fornits.

BillS (also a survivor who attended 2 Aspen programs for 4 years) recently posted:

Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

Link



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Stop lying!

I dont know about the faking being attacked by people or broken limbs but my daughter said a lot of kids would fake being sick to try to get a day in the infirmary where they got ice cream, juice and could sleep during the day.



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