I base my conclusion on the fact I know he is an industry cheer leader. Arrest records, PM's... I just watch what he writes, see how he doesn't answer direct questions, posts as other people to conceal his identity, uses Guest a lot to support his own posts. The guy is a fake. Nothing he says is credible. He can deny all of the original poster's evidence all he wants. It doesn't change my perception of him. He can't prove to me any of the original poster's evidence was false, but he has already proven to me what he is through his endless posts. All of his posts reveal who he is and what he is about. A joke. It's all double-speak and flipping the argument or keeping the thread about him and not on the topic. Even in this thread, which is about him.
You ask him a simple and direct question and you get a convoluted bunch of nonsense back. Never an answer. Never direct. And I honestly don't care who he really is. But I sure don't buy that he is simply a concerned parent. I read the threads and decided it made enough sense. And I didn't see how the PM was proven false and don't care. But none of it matters to me. I watch what he posts, and I see nothing of value there. When he tries to spin things in to a pro-program light, it always comes off as so poorly done. Whooter writes so poorly and has such poorly conceived arguments, I know nobody buys in to his tirades and cheer leading. He just does it so poorly it is laughable. And the anger and abuse he spews out doesn't help him any. People who read his posts can see that he has issues. That he isn't well. That there is clearly something wrong with him. And with him representing the programs, we can't lose. He is the best advertisement we have that the programs are bad because the people who are associated with them are abusive, uneducated and deceitful. Just as he is.
The methods he uses on this site are now so predictable. Cutting and pasting a line here or there of a long post, to nit-pick some minor point, ignoring the core of the argument in favor of the trivial. Going on and on about the most insignificant things to try and prove what he thinks is some profound point, all the while ignoring the real point being discussed. Children do that. Liars do it too. He is just so evasive, and so obviously evasive that everything he posts comes off as dumb. And childish dumb. But just as often, hurtful and abusive. Just like the programs themselves. It is so revealing, which is why I don't need someone to show me proof. I don't care if he is John Reuben or not. I decided some time back that he was just an industry cheer leader, cheering for an industry I find causes harm to kids, including myself once when I was a teen. And just as I am convinced of what he is, I am not going to be convinced the programs aren't harming children.
I actually went to a program, so I know what it is like. And when I read survivor stories, I know they are true because I saw the same stuff happen when I was there. I don't need to have evidence to compel me to believe survivor stories. I read them or listen to them and I can judge for myself what seems credible and what doesn't, based on my own experiences and observations while I was in a program. If a story included aliens and UFO's landing, I can assume the story isn't real. But when a survivor talks about being sexually abused by staff, well, I saw and knew those things happened when I was there. When survivors talk about forced labor, well, I did forced labor as well. When they talk about loud raps, well, I sat in a couple of hundred myself. So I possess the first-hand experience to help me discern truth from fiction. I don't need evidence. I am not a court of law. I am not a judge or a jury. I am capable of making up my own mind about things and I made up my mind about Whooter many moons ago.
Whooter on the other hand appears to dismiss all survivor stories. From a logical standpoint, that is not realistic. There is simply no probability that survivor stories would all be wrong. Nor would it be realistic to think all stories of abuse are wrong. It is Whooter who demands proof. I am not sure why anyone bothered to try and provide some. It just isn't necessary. Survivors aren't looking for proof. And their stories are enough to convince investigators in places like Oregon that their experiences are real and based on facts. These programs are getting shut down one by one. And they are being shut down for the reasons we say they are. Abuse. Lack of treatment. Harmful activities advertised as real therapy. Things we survivors already knew. We didn't need Oregon to prove anything to us. Shutting down CEDU and RMA, MBA and any other program is great, but we don't need it to serve as proof for us. Maybe proof to the rest of the world, but we're already convinced. We simply appreciate that they finally took action. But Whooter actually thinks that every time he posts a response to every single post on these boards, that somehow he will convince the world that we are all crazy and not to trust anything we say. Does anyone really think his methods are meeting with success? People who might drop by this site looking for information on the industry are likely to all be adults. Parents, state agencies. People fully capable of seeing and identifying an industry shill. Someone who is obviously working an angle. And then they would read the endless survivor stories and match it up to what they have already seen and heard and like me... come to their own conclusions.
I just don't know why anyone thought it was really necessary to prove Whooter was an industry cheer leader. Or that revealing him as John Reuben or anyone else was needed. I couldn't give two shits about the guy. I am not on Fornits to try and convince him of anything. I am here mainly to share my story, hear about other survivor experiences and maybe get the word out to parents and government agencies that these places are bad. And Whooter helps.
