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Darckenu Israel - new wilderness program abroad
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Abir" ---...And here we are ready to do things differently, not a boot camp, not a brat camp and not against the teenager's will.
How? We invite you to visit our site, look at it and I am sure things will be clear.
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Thanks for your reply, Shaul. Unfortunately, your website is still, as of now, just the one page. This makes it a bit difficult for "things [to] be clear," since your wilderness program philosophy, such as it may be, is somewhat less than adequately expounded upon. Perhaps the lack of clarity is just due to my own obtuseness, or perhaps some things were inadvertently left out by the translator(s)?
What does it mean, for example, to be "walking your choices?" What exactly is the "Darckenau trail?" And what methods of persuasion do you play to employ, when you "gently steer [troubled teens] to discover their own abilities to make valuable choices and reinforce their self image?" And how, if you could perchance be specific, are parents "categorically an integrated part of this process?"
Whooter:
I think this is a unique opportunity to take a look at what a few people view as the latest design of a wilderness program. They seem to be compassionate about helping kids. They have conducted research and want to eliminate what they view as the bad points of the present wilderness programs and form a new program. This may be the next step in an ever evolving industry.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I think this is a unique opportunity to take a look at what a few people view as the latest design of a wilderness program. They seem to be compassionate about helping kids. They have conducted research and want to eliminate what they view as the bad points of the present wilderness programs and form a new program. This may be the next step in an ever evolving industry.
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I am curious as to *what* this "latest design" happens to be. Thus far, there has been very little information forthcoming. Certainly nothing to dissuade me from thinking that it's little more than variations on an old old theme, were I inclined to prejudge like that.
What kind of "research" have they conducted? What exactly are those "bad points" that they want to eliminate? Are you Darckenu Israel's spokesperson now, Whooter?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I am curious as to *what* this "latest design" happens to be. Thus far, there has been very little information forthcoming. Certainly nothing to dissuade me from thinking that it's little more than variations on an old old theme, were I inclined to prejudge like that.
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I tend to be more open minded than most here. So far they have not shown themselves to have a rich history in the Present TTI, have verbalized an intention of not wanting to duplicate the wilderness models here in the US. So I am still open to their ideas and curious.
--- Quote ---What kind of "research" have they conducted? What exactly are those "bad points" that they want to eliminate?
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I am interested as you are.
--- Quote ---Are you Darckenu Israel's spokesperson now, Whooter?
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Oh No!! Don't mention this to DJ. He will lead readers around by the nose once again with his latest theories. I am sure he can figure out some time lines and past posts that tie me to this new wilderness endeavor and instead of John he will call me Taaveti. If you come across any past posts (under TheWho name) where it says I had meetings in Israel can you delete them for me? lol
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Are you Darckenu Israel's spokesperson now, Whooter?
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Oh No!! Don't mention this to DJ. He will lead readers around by the nose once again with his latest theories. I am sure he can figure out some time lines and past posts that tie me to this new wilderness endeavor and instead of John he will call me Taaveti. If you come across any past posts (under TheWho name) where it says I had meetings in Israel can you delete them for me? lol
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I actually asked you this question in all seriousness, Whooter, since you seemed to imply a certain authority with regard to the Abirs' endeavors in your previous post. Your attempt to turn my question into an opportunity for over the top exaggeration and obfuscation makes me wonder... Nevertheless, my comment on that:
When I bought your old account 'TheWho' as per the conditions of that fund raiser two years ago, I decided to leave everything exactly as it was. I won't be deleting anything, for anyone's sake. You, of all people, should know how I am 'bout "historical preservation" by now. :D
Of course, "who" woulda known just how many additional posts you made back then on the side, posing as others and posting numerous conversations with yourself to imply more universal agreement with your theories and so called analysis, lol. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to agree to having all those guest posts from your IP addies linked up to your account. My museum piece ended up more than doubled in size, thanks to Psy's due diligence in carrying out your and DJ's requests for said link up.
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