Many Many Programs Abuse Kids

[DannyB II]

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[Whooter]

No, you just made that statement up.  Why would you lie like that to promote child abuse?

The article I quoted was already sourced in this thread by Shadyacres ( I quoted directly from his citation) and none of what you wrote was in it.  In fact, nothing you wrote exists on the internet anywhere except your post.  Why did you fabricate that false information about ASR?

Once you provide the link to your thread you will see the next one further down.  Put your link up first.  You stated earlier we could find it but it doesnt exist  which seems misleading.  Let us know.  I think the two posts flow together nicely.  See what you can find.



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[Watchful Yeoman]

Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” and telling people not to tell him he’s lying.  Well, I guess that makes it believable then?  Fail, Whooter.  Fail.

I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.

Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.

And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.

Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!

This is what Whooter does here.  Everything he posts is a lie in one way or another.  Danny is his puppet, so don't look far Danny to question what Whooter says, even though he clearly "fabricated" it.  Danny only goes after program kids for "fabricating," not the adults that lock kids up in abusive Aspen facilities.  Danny thinks it's OK to lie about your "sources" of information too.  He claims to have lots of "sources" too, but they're all made up as well.  Welcome to Fornits!

Nobody here assigns any credibility to either of these jackasses.  Don't bother with them because we all already know they're not capable of being honest.  Danny dragged a kid behind his car when he was a staff member because she was "fat and ugly" and Danny thought she needed his form of "treatment" for being "fat and ugly."  That's the kind of psycho crazies that spend their days here!

[DannyB II]

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[Whooter]

Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” and telling people not to tell him he’s lying.  Well, I guess that makes it believable then?  Fail, Whooter.  Fail.

I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.

Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.

And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.

Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!

This is what Whooter does here.  Everything he posts is a lie in one way or another.  Danny is his puppet, so don't look far Danny to question what Whooter says, even though he clearly "fabricated" it.  Danny only goes after program kids for "fabricating," not the adults that lock kids up in abusive Aspen facilities.  Danny thinks it's OK to lie about your "sources" of information too.  He claims to have lots of "sources" too, but they're all made up as well.  Welcome to Fornits!

Nobody here assigns any credibility to either of these jackasses.  Don't bother with them because we all already know they're not capable of being honest.  Danny dragged a kid behind his car when he was a staff member because she was "fat and ugly" and Danny thought she needed his form of "treatment" for being "fat and ugly."  That's the kind of psycho crazies that spend their days here!

Wow, lots of anger.  Why not just ask, Yeoman?  Most of the time I have an explanation.  You should give a person a chance to explain before tossing them under the bus.

There are a few of those, Watchful Yeoman,  I took those stories from ASR chat sites and various places here on fornits.  That originally was posted Here In hindsight I should have provided links.



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[DannyB II]

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[Troll Control]

No, you just made that statement up.  Why would you lie like that to promote child abuse?

The article I quoted was already sourced in this thread by Shadyacres ( I quoted directly from his citation) and none of what you wrote was in it.  In fact, nothing you wrote exists on the internet anywhere except your post.  Why did you fabricate that false information about ASR?

Once you provide the link to your thread you will see the next one further down.  Put your link up first.  You stated earlier we could find it but it doesnt exist  which seems misleading.  Let us know.  I think the two posts flow together nicely.  See what you can find.



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This will help people understand why Whooter lies about programs.

[Maximillian]

In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

[Anne Bonney]

Your special touch and all the readers will enjoy this, "Danny dragged a girl behind a car because she was fat and ugly", well the "Statue Of Limitations" would not be over on this charge because I would have killed her or at the very least damn near.
 :waaaa:  :waaaa:  :waaaa: So sorry Yo Yo, for not making you happy today.

Speaking of this, you never did answer the question as to what happened with that, AFAIK.  Did you actually drag a girl behind a van?  If you did answer, please point me to the link where you did because I must have missed it and would really like to hear your side of the story.

[Anne Bonney]

So according to Whoot the kids in programs are denied contact with their families to prevent them from being abused by their family members? What?

Well, Shaggys, you seem to following some other posters passion to misrepresent what I say.  

Lets say that a child has been abused by their Uncle Chucky.  This child has been placed into a program and is undergoing therapy and this information comes to light.  It may be suggested that contact with this family member should be suspended.  

I dont think cutting off communication with this family member would be abusive to the child, in fact it would be abusive to allow this child contact with the Uncle.  Think along the same lines as friends sending in packages.  I think we can all agree that as a minimum the packages should be searched or opened in front of staff.

But that's not what we're talking about and you know that.  We're talking about withholding communication from parents and other close family until the child "earns" the right.

[Anne Bonney]

In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

Again I'd like to ask which program this is.  You say that there is a forum dedicated here on Fornits to the place you were in and you tell these glowing tales of how wonderful it was but you refuse to name it.  If what you stated above is true, I'd like to check it out.  Who knows......it may just change at least part of my view of them because that's one of the bigger issues I have with programs - that they cut off communication with family and when it is allowed, it's monitored to make sure the child doesn't say anything negative about the program.

[Maximillian]

So according to Whoot the kids in programs are denied contact with their families to prevent them from being abused by their family members? What?

Well, Shaggys, you seem to following some other posters passion to misrepresent what I say.  

Lets say that a child has been abused by their Uncle Chucky.  This child has been placed into a program and is undergoing therapy and this information comes to light.  It may be suggested that contact with this family member should be suspended.  

I dont think cutting off communication with this family member would be abusive to the child, in fact it would be abusive to allow this child contact with the Uncle.  Think along the same lines as friends sending in packages.  I think we can all agree that as a minimum the packages should be searched or opened in front of staff.

But that's not what we're talking about and you know that.  We're talking about withholding communication from parents and other close family until the child "earns" the right.

Of course they have to earn the right to talk to their families.  What family is going to let their kid that's in a program for being bad dictate the agenda?  I mean, come on, Anne, what are you thinking?  Most of these kids did really terrible things to their families to get put in programs in the first place and then you want to reward them for that by giving them privileges like phone time home?

Look at Whooter's point objectively and stop trying to sick the fornits psychos on everyone that has common sense.  If a kid was abused at home by Uncle Chucky then allowing that kid to talk to anyone from home would be abusive.  That's why the kid chose the program-to get away from Uncle Chucky.  Plus, the kid that was abused at home is tougher than the other kids and can take it better.  Imagine if the kid was abused after the program.  He'd have the tools to deal with it and move on with his life, thanks to the program.  Because of its highly structured nature it prepares kids better with tools to handle the sexual abuse by a family member and when the kid gets sent home into the same environment he'll be better prepared to deal with that abuse when it happens again.

[Maximillian]

In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

Again I'd like to ask which program this is.  You say that there is a forum dedicated here on Fornits to the place you were in and you tell these glowing tales of how wonderful it was but you refuse to name it.  If what you stated above is true, I'd like to check it out.  Who knows......it may just change at least part of my view of them because that's one of the bigger issues I have with programs - that they cut off communication with family and when it is allowed, it's monitored to make sure the child doesn't say anything negative about the program.

Yeah, sure.  Why don't I just give you my full name, address and social security number?  I see what happenes when you people get hold of someone's identity.  Next thing you will see is my picture on a porn site.  My program has its own dedicated subforum here and is no longer in operation, so I see no need to go into that any further.  Suffice it to say it saved my life.  Without it I'd be still using drugs every day and drinking every day or maybe back in a psychiatric hospital.  I learned that I can have slips and I still do.  Just because I  still do drugs and drink doesn't mean my program was not successful in changing my life around.  It was.

[Shadyacres]

 Just because I  still do drugs and drink doesn't mean my program was not successful in changing my life around.  It was.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anne Bonney]

In my program we were allowed to talk to our parents and friends whenever we wanted to.  The program encouraged us to have close relationships with our families even though we were separated by thousands of miles and my parents never came to visit me.  To make up for the missed visits the staff would do special things for me.

Again I'd like to ask which program this is.  You say that there is a forum dedicated here on Fornits to the place you were in and you tell these glowing tales of how wonderful it was but you refuse to name it.  If what you stated above is true, I'd like to check it out.  Who knows......it may just change at least part of my view of them because that's one of the bigger issues I have with programs - that they cut off communication with family and when it is allowed, it's monitored to make sure the child doesn't say anything negative about the program.

Yeah, sure.  Why don't I just give you my full name, address and social security number?  I see what happenes when you people get hold of someone's identity.  Next thing you will see is my picture on a porn site.  My program has its own dedicated subforum here and is no longer in operation, so I see no need to go into that any further.  Suffice it to say it saved my life.  Without it I'd be still using drugs every day and drinking every day or maybe back in a psychiatric hospital.  I learned that I can have slips and I still do.  Just because I  still do drugs and drink doesn't mean my program was not successful in changing my life around.  It was.

I never asked you for your identity and saying which program "saved your life" won't give your identity away either.  You just know it wouldn't hold up to scrutiny, so you take the chicken-shit way out.  I wonder why it closed down?