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Quote from: "Shadyacres"Quote from: "Whooter"My daughter didnt go to CEDU or a mind rape mill as you call it. She was having a tough time before she entered a program also, but it is clear that you blindly buy into the hype here on fornits and have never been to a program yourself or you would know that it is hard work and not necessarily the best memory of your life but it wasnt horrible either. Many of the kids look back on the program they were in and it reminds them of a tough patch in their life. ... Imagine;150 kids sitting in church pews, about 90 boys on one side of the room and about 60 girls on the other side. They sit there for 12 to 16 hours a day, not allowed to move or talk or look in any direction but straight ahead. If they start to doze off, someone digs knuckles into their back or licks their finger and sticks it in the kids ear (eeww!) Imagine being hungry all day every day. Imagine being terrified, all day every day. Imagine spending all day praying that one or the other of your parents will come to their senses and come rescue you, only to have those prayers go unanswered every day. Imagine being “restrained” by a half dozen over excited, untrained teenagers on the hard concrete floor. Yes Whooter, I have been in a program. And yes Whooter, it was horrible. Horrible might not even be a strong enough word. Twenty five years have gone by and I still have nightmares about that place.Assuming (just for a moment) that you really did attend a program, your account is vastly different than my daughters. They had great food, she gained weight in spite of being 10 times as active. Not one restraint was needed ever that she or I could recall or other graduates before and after her on any student. The only time the kids had to sit for long periods of time was when they were in the class room. The kids called the place a bubble because they felt safe there, they were never scared or had a reason to be.How can a person grow and build self esteem, work on family issues, study for PSAT's etc. in an environment that you describe? Either these programs are vastly different and vary from one to another or you are not being truthful to the readers here about being in a program or the details you described....
Quote from: "Whooter"My daughter didnt go to CEDU or a mind rape mill as you call it. She was having a tough time before she entered a program also, but it is clear that you blindly buy into the hype here on fornits and have never been to a program yourself or you would know that it is hard work and not necessarily the best memory of your life but it wasnt horrible either. Many of the kids look back on the program they were in and it reminds them of a tough patch in their life. ... Imagine;150 kids sitting in church pews, about 90 boys on one side of the room and about 60 girls on the other side. They sit there for 12 to 16 hours a day, not allowed to move or talk or look in any direction but straight ahead. If they start to doze off, someone digs knuckles into their back or licks their finger and sticks it in the kids ear (eeww!) Imagine being hungry all day every day. Imagine being terrified, all day every day. Imagine spending all day praying that one or the other of your parents will come to their senses and come rescue you, only to have those prayers go unanswered every day. Imagine being “restrained” by a half dozen over excited, untrained teenagers on the hard concrete floor. Yes Whooter, I have been in a program. And yes Whooter, it was horrible. Horrible might not even be a strong enough word. Twenty five years have gone by and I still have nightmares about that place.
My daughter didnt go to CEDU or a mind rape mill as you call it. She was having a tough time before she entered a program also, but it is clear that you blindly buy into the hype here on fornits and have never been to a program yourself or you would know that it is hard work and not necessarily the best memory of your life but it wasnt horrible either. Many of the kids look back on the program they were in and it reminds them of a tough patch in their life. ...
BUILD self esteem? No, they were attempting, with a large degree of success, to DESTROY our self esteem so that we would be obedient little stepford kids. Vastly different? Prove it. And as for me being in a program, you probably have George Ross on speed dial, see if he remembers an angry red haired boy who would be called out for "intellectualizing" nearly every day. A kid who spent over five months on phase 1. Since I know you have no experience with these programs, intellectualizing is what they accused you of when you attempted to point out how abusive their "help" was. Or if the counselors just thought you were smarter than they were, and therefore had no clue if you were being "honest" or not. Oh, and "abscess" is a better descriptor than "bubble" for these places. A bubble, sure, but one filled with infection and toxins.
Hopefully these programs that are closely modeled after CEDU will slowly fade into the horizon and be replaced by programs which restore family values and build self esteem and prepare the kids for the outside world when it comes time to transition back to the real world....
Quote from: "Shadyacres"BUILD self esteem? No, they were attempting, with a large degree of success, to DESTROY our self esteem so that we would be obedient little stepford kids. Vastly different? Prove it. And as for me being in a program, you probably have George Ross on speed dial, see if he remembers an angry red haired boy who would be called out for "intellectualizing" nearly every day. A kid who spent over five months on phase 1. Since I know you have no experience with these programs, intellectualizing is what they accused you of when you attempted to point out how abusive their "help" was. Or if the counselors just thought you were smarter than they were, and therefore had no clue if you were being "honest" or not. Oh, and "abscess" is a better descriptor than "bubble" for these places. A bubble, sure, but one filled with infection and toxins.I think this shows a very large difference between the program you have witnessed to the ones I have. The program that my daughter went to worked towards restoring the family unit, building self esteem and getting the child back on an academic path. They also offered individual therapy for those who opted for it. The kids themselves named it the bubble not the school.I dont even know who George Ross is, Shaddy, lol. Founder of CEDU?Hopefully these programs that are closely modeled after CEDU will slowly fade into the horizon and be replaced by programs which restore family values and build self esteem and prepare the kids for the outside world when it comes time to transition back to the real world....
George Ross was another Johnny Appleseed of institutionalized child abuse. He started working at Straight, St. Pete, then cofounded LIFE with Helen Peterman, then went to Kentucky to found Kids of Hebron, KY. He helped design the ridiculously abusive program I was in and is still practicing today; http://www.georgerross.com/
