Public School Abuse

[Paul St. John]

Oh and no matter what you said to your parents, you were trying to "manipulate", them.

To this day, I haven t said a word of anything about Daytop to my parents. The only thing I ever said to anyone was to  my father, while I was there.  I told him that I didn t like the idea of spilling my guts about every internal issue I ever had to a large group of strangers, and so I didn t participate in groups.

He told me that it was natural, and that no animal in nature goes around making a show of it's vulnerabilities.  My father never got in the way of anything with Daytop.  Afterall, my school sent me there, and my probation officer was holding me there..
But he never played ball either. I thank my lucky stars for that.  they never seemed to like my father much, but they loved his checkbook.

Paul

[Paul St. John]

It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.

Paul

PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL

Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"

[Eliscu2]

It starts in "Regular School" and then continues into "Programming"
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Hmmm I think these guys went to "Rehab"...

[DannyB II]

I have a good friend who has 4 kids on the Autism Spectrum.
Honor role student to Headbanging and non-verbal.
All of them with a very High I.Q.
She does not need a clinical trial or numbers to show what works and what does not.
No drugs, No JRC.
Unreal amount of personal sacrifice, patience and fierce advocacy.
We shape the disability rights around here for the voiceless and dead.
Her School age kids go to Public School.
No Restraints, No Cruelty.
She had to Educate the Educators for 20 years though.............
There before the grace of G-d go I.

Felice why now? Why not bring this example up back when you initiated this topic. May I ask a question please......please. Why in gods name would you force your kids (round peg) into a public school arena (square hole) when you know their emotional social skills are disabled dramatically. I agree with not sending a child with this disability to JRC. Banging heads and self-mutilation something different now. I fully agree that god has blessed some mothers with the ability and finances to deal with this. The little I do know about the educational system I do know they should not be involved at all. They don't do what they say and they always lose the funding. So no I'll stay with the ideas of others I've heard from, get special programs to deal with this. Why are we trying to force this on public schools anyways, so parents can entertain the fantasy that their child is normal or is it because they cannot afford the special care elsewhere.
Felice if in fact her kids are going to public school then they are exceptionally high functioning autistic or border line asperger (if in fact you can be).
Anyway how much can I really know I am sure there are folks with these disabilities doing things that would surprise the normal.

Danny I am so sure I care what you think. :timeout:
After the other night with the CARTOON CROTCH Cronicles....
Go morally police an Avatar and leave the human rights to those who are not sexually repressed.
In fact I suggest you call up an Escort...maybe learn something.
Make sure you let them know you will be needing a tweezers and electron microscope to find your penis with.
Danny Bennison- "Digging for cartoon vagina's in Avatars" says.... :sue:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333

Felice is this all you can do is write idiotic filthy posts. I sure you don't care what I have to say.
Your to busy using all of your energy to produce and write this garbage.

Danny

[DannyB II]

It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL

Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"

Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school. Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.
Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had. We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision, I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.

Danny

[Paul St. John]

It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL

Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"

Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school.

LOL! Danny, this is a stupid thread.  Even you should be able to see that.  You can t compare one to the other.  There are more public schools in existence then there are programs. Then to go further, there are far more students and faulty members in individual public schools,  then there are in the average program. A comparison cannot be drwan, without really breaking it down, which I personally don t feel like doing, but I will say, that it is like comparing how many times a person uses a certain word in a sentence, compared to how many times a person uses a certain word a 3 volume novel.  

besides, is this really news to anybody? Is there anyone here who honestly did not know that sometimes, every so often, a teacher fucks a student.  Whooter, even found a case, where a teacher got a way with it, and contibued to teach.  Well, again, taking the odds, into account, I am not suprised that that happened once or twice.  All kinds of fucked up things happen in the world.  Sometimes, people get attacked by sharks while swimming at the beach.. People still go to the beach.

I mean, is this is an argument for the idea that you d be better of in a program then in a school, because schools molest people.  Is that what this thread is about?


 Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.

You can count on me Danno ..

Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had.

Just to be clear Danny- I don t see the connection between the two different.. but I will give you credit.  I am suprised that you realised that I was doing that.. Only kidding.. kinda..




 We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision,

I was on probation for something that I had done years earlier.  I had already received my punishment for that- probation.. stupid classes.  and a lot of fines, that I worked to pay off. The only crime that I had committed since was recreational drug use, which I did not consider a crime. But again, I don t see whta that has to do with making fun of the sex abuse comparison between high schools, and treatment centers.



I assissted a friend in an attempt to steal a speaker from a train platform.  I think I was 14.  I could have stolen thousands of train speakers, and I would still have been less harmful then a TC staff member. ( that s not a poke at you.. Just a fact. )


I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.

Danny, I am really not sure what your point is here.  Are you saying that even though I didn t belong in daytop, I did?


Danny

[Paul St. John]

Ya know Danny, as I was writing that earlier post, when I mentioned that I had a probation officer, I had a feeling that you, Whooter, or Suck It, might latch onto that, but I left it in there anyway.  i am not now, nor ever was perfect.

But I never took pleasure in hurting other people.  That, to me, is a real crime.

Paul

[DannyB II]

It was nice going to Daytop though, because, at least, I knew, that there was no longer a ten percent risk, of my being molested by one of the teachers in the public school, I attended, previously.
Paul
PS Actually, there was one or two teachers, I would have welcomed it from, the way I remember it.. LOL

Could you imagine being molested by a Daytop Counselor. "This isn t actually happening right now, dope fiene. Stop rationalizing"

Ya jeesh, lets argue about it. Because ya know it's so different to raped in a program then raped on the outside via a public school.

LOL! Danny, this is a stupid thread.  Even you should be able to see that.  You can t compare one to the other.  There are more public schools in existence then there are programs. Then to go further, there are far more students and faulty members in individual public schools,  then there are in the average program. A comparison cannot be drwan, without really breaking it down, which I personally don t feel like doing, but I will say, that it is like comparing how many times a person uses a certain word in a sentence, compared to how many times a person uses a certain word a 3 volume novel.  

besides, is this really news to anybody? Is there anyone here who honestly did not know that sometimes, every so often, a teacher fucks a student.  Whooter, even found a case, where a teacher got a way with it, and contibued to teach.  Well, again, taking the odds, into account, I am not suprised that that happened once or twice.  All kinds of fucked up things happen in the world.  Sometimes, people get attacked by sharks while swimming at the beach.. People still go to the beach.

I mean, is this is an argument for the idea that you d be better of in a program then in a school, because schools molest people.  Is that what this thread is about?


 Boy I'm so happy this conversation just raised to a rational level.

You can count on me Danno ..

Paul you make fun of all of this yet you admit you had a probation officer as I had.

Just to be clear Danny- I don t see the connection between the two different.. but I will give you credit.  I am suprised that you realised that I was doing that.. Only kidding.. kinda..




 We were part of the problem in soceity so someone had to make a tuff decision,

I was on probation for something that I had done years earlier.  I had already received my punishment for that- probation.. stupid classes.  and a lot of fines, that I worked to pay off. The only crime that I had committed since was recreational drug use, which I did not consider a crime. But again, I don t see whta that has to do with making fun of the sex abuse comparison between high schools, and treatment centers.



I assissted a friend in an attempt to steal a speaker from a train platform.  I think I was 14.  I could have stolen thousands of train speakers, and I would still have been less harmful then a TC staff member. ( that s not a poke at you.. Just a fact. )


I am not saying Daytop was the answer just say'in it is where you and your parentsplaced you.

Danny, I am really not sure what your point is here.  Are you saying that even though I didn t belong in daytop, I did?


Danny

No this is not a stupid thread at all. First abuses happening to kids is never stupid (not that you meant that)  and is always worth talking about. The statistics (public schools) in my opinion are staggering and are growing. Second the political school system has failed many parents to the point they look elsewhere for help, not saying this is right just speaking from experience, listening to parents.
To say Whooter or yourself is making this about a competition to see what system is worse, your right who cares so long that the kids are protected in both venues.
Here is my connection between the both, it is your cavalier attitude (my opinion) toward the abuses in the school system and your responsibility in the results of your actions. We place our parents in certain positions they really don't want to be in and make it hard on them. If I know you Paul I'm sure you pushed your dad with your behavior, (anyway that is not my business).
What I am saying is you fucked up ripping shit off, taking drugs and whatever else your not saying here that did get the train rolling. Maybe if you did not act so cocky like hey this behavior was normal, ya know no big deal. Who do you think paid for all those fines, worried all those days and had to make the biggest decision in their early life with you. NO I am not say'in that you deserved to be abused at Daytop. I don't care what you did, no one deserves to be abused. I can't think of the word right now but there was a time in my life when I sat down and realized that humility was needed.

Danny

[Paul St. John]

It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..

amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut.  daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.

.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.

My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.

LOL!  They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.

I hated that fucker.  He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society.  He was someone important.. Someone in the know.  It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it.  He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals.  He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there.  there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.

Paul

[Paul St. John]

I gotta get some sleep, danny... But just to clarify some things..

I payed the fine, and as I said it was years earlier.

My father didn t send me there.  My school district did.

Paul

[DannyB II]

Ya know Danny, as I was writing that earlier post, when I mentioned that I had a probation officer, I had a feeling that you, Whooter, or Suck It, might latch onto that, but I left it in there anyway.  i am not now, nor ever was perfect.

But I never took pleasure in hurting other people.  That, to me, is a real crime.

Paul

Paul nobody cares if you have/had a probation officer or if you were in prison. You still did not deserve being abused. Oh, you left it there jee what a champ. Dude it does not surprise me. If more folks here got honest you would find that they gave their parents so much trouble it left them feeling helpless. You folks are not saints like you try to come across. You have a part in this Paul.
No Paul it is not normal to get high and your parents are supposed to have no problem with it, you will knows this when you become a parent.
I don't believe most of the employees of programs enjoy hurting kids. The problem I think is they believe in a methodology that just does not work and at first they can't see it but like me in time they do. The turn over rate at these programs is high it is only the upper brass who seem to linger, which is what maybe 1% of the employee population. Now the Owners well they never seem to change.

Danny

[DannyB II]

I gotta get some sleep, danny... But just to clarify some things..

I payed the fine, and as I said it was years earlier.

My father didn t send me there.  My school district did.

Paul

Well your father had to OK it, stubborn one. Your full of shit also, what at 14 you walked in and layed down the money, maybe later you made restitution.

danny

[DannyB II]

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[DannyB II]

It is mentioning that there kids in daytop who had committed real crimes, or claimed to, at least..

amongst these crimes were arson, murder, robbing old ladies, rape, and a bunch of shut.  daytop believed that talking about it in group, absolved them of their sins.

.. and is it any sur[rise, that these were the people who usually rose to status quickly.

My fist ' inductions" meeting was run by an idiot, who very shortly after bragged to me in a "triad" group that he killed people.

LOL!  They wanted me to write about what all these principles that hung from their walls meant, but they didn t even know what they meant.. They meant whatever they wanted them to mean at any given point.

I hated that fucker.  He strutted his shit like he was some sort of proud member of society.  He was someone important.. Someone in the know.  It was fine that he claimed to kill people.. It was fine that he was proud of it.  He learned the fucking lingo, and how to verbally attack others, and now he was a good guy. I was a bad guy, because I actually had fucking principles and morals.  He thought he was so fucking tough too.. A man of the streets.. Everyone respected him, there.  there were a couple of times where I had to look away from him, because I was about to show him just how fucking tough he was.

Paul

WoW looky we have a Ursus clone, your a bigot. Jeesh this place here is getting more honest every day.
Ursus has a problem with folks from the same neighborhood, OH my neighborhood. Paul your a bigot and I'm sure that was there long before you got to Daytop. Most of the folks here are and they act like they don't know this. No problem though people can learn to stop abusing.
I find it funny that your blaming a resident of different persuasion, being abused himself for your uncomfortability in Daytop. The staff were using him because of his persona.

Danny

Quotes from Ursus,
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30639&start=15

Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 6:03 pm
1) As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.

Re: Public School Abuse
Postby Ursus » Yesterday, 10:37
2) Just what are you trying to say here? Are you trying to dissuade me from pointing out the obvious, namely, that not all public schools are equivalent when it comes to the quality of the education one receives, that local poverty does affect the quality of services one does or does not receive at school, and that some schools have significant problems with bullying and others do not?