Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Blame Game
Anonymous:
Deborah wrote: "A classic example of how the brainwashing technique works. First lay out what you want the other person to believe, then tell the person if they react a certain way, they will validate your self-serving comments."
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Isn't that what YOU are attempting to accomplish here, Deborah? And, many others are looking for validation as well.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-06 21:16:00, Deborah wrote:
"Look, there seems to be two kinds of parents. Those who wouldn't dream of sending their kids to strangers and trusting blindly that they would be well cared for. And there are those who are far too trusting, desperate, revengeful,________. They assume the owner's and staff genuinely care, who can be very convincing, particularly to a desperate parent."
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There are more than those two types. I can give two examples based on extensive, very personal, firsthand experience. There was my mother, definite type B above. And it wasn't just us kids. She reveled in using AA dogma to scapegoat and demonize my father all of my life. And she actually believed she could diagnose alcohol and other drug dependency in strangers based on brief, casual conversation.
But there's a type C parent who becomes convinced that they're in over their heads, that their kids are in real trouble and that their own resources and abilities are just not going to be enough. They don't necessarily agree with the totalitarian program philosophy. But they'll go along with it, no matter what the program demands of them, because the haven't got any better ideas.
That was my dad. And I remember quite a few other program parents who seemed to feel that way. They'd soften the blow any time they could with little things like giving us a mattress to sleep on in the host home. (Straight housed the clients in the homes of families further along in the program.) Doesn't mean they didn't violate fire codes by nailing the windows shut and dead-bolting the doors or that they wouldn't readily lie under oath to convince a judge to sign a court order or to convince a cop to make a wrongful arrest. They were, indeed, snookered into doing all kinds of awful things in the name of saving the children.
But I don't see a lot sense in putting it to the parents, even the most sadistic 'tin god' types among them. The parents come and the parents go in the continual revolving door that is the Program. For the last 30 years, CEDU, the Lichfields the Kays have been at this game, ruthlessly taking advantage of desperate parents; exploiting their worst fears for power and money.
Please remember, folks, so that you'll know what to expect and not be taken by surprise. It's really not ALL about the money. The money's primarily a means to an end. You can see that plainly if you look into how heavily these people invest in public policy and how obviously they receive their dividends. At the nut of it, it's about power. It's a lust for totalitarian god-like status and the power to destroy all critics.
And it all rests on their fragile ability to prevent us from communicating among ourselves and to the public. One voice won't do much, but there are literally thousands of us out there with a few more hooking up with eachother every day.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-10-07 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-10-07 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2003-10-06 22:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How sad. I don't know this Deborah person and I am glad I don't. What an unsensitive response. My parents put me in a horrible program and I now totally understand their fear, pain and desperation. If you truly beleive your child is going to die it is very easy to see how a parent would try anything to save their child. My experience has been that the parents that put their children in these programs don't know much or have any experience with drugs, alcohol abuse or a troubled runaway. Most of my program friends' parents were clueless about what was wrong with us or how to help us so they beleived these "professionals." To be quite honest I was safer in the program I was in than on the streets with whoever getting high. That does not mean I agree with any abuse of any kind to anyone. Obviously, the best situation would of been for me to be in a program that was not abusive and eventually I was. It sounds like this Deborah person may really be deflecting her anger and resentment towards her ex. onto everyone else."
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"Deflecting her anger"----I just hate it when people with no training except for experience as a patient indulge in psychobabble.
Being a patient doesn't qualify you to play at being a doctor.
The parents who send their kids off to strangers are credulous "marks." Most people who fall for con games are.
It doesn't make them bad people, they're just the reason that most of us who aren't credulous "marks" want frauds and cons to be pursued, shut down, and severely punished.
I pity the parents. There are always going to be extraordinarily gullible people in this world, and they're prime examples of the trait.
If and when I ever sound angry with the parents, it's not really anger with them, but more a case of frustration at our laws not being adequate to protect their children from the parents gullibility.
It's pointless to be angry with easy marks for being easy marks.
At the same time, I'm not going to be "sensitive" to the parents by pretending they are not easy marks. Realizing they've been gullible is one of the best chances they've got for growing a healthy skepticism towards anybody who wants their money.
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Hmmm....sounds like I hit a nerve. You are an easy mark. Also, I don't think anyone expects you to be sensitive. I doubt you are capable of it."
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Actually, I've never lost money to a con in my life.
Unless you consider all organized religions cons, in which case I have put a bit in the collection plate here or there.
"...hit a nerve..." Psychobabble mind-reading word games from you.
Sorry (okay, no, I'm not really sorry), I'm not an easy mark for that kind of crap, either.
"...doubt you are capable of it..." There you go again, expecting others to buy into your attempted head games. That's an attempt at a guilt trip. There is no other conceivable reason to have said it. No sale, dude.
I don't know why you feel some need or desire to try to make others feel bad, but obviously you do. I pity you that.
I hope you're just having a bad hair day or something, but failing that I hope you figure out your problem, because that can't be a happy way to live.
I can log off and be totally away from you. You have to be around yourself 24/7. The way you're acting right now, that's gotta really suck for you.
Anonymous:
Someone needs to put you in your place. You are the one with a history of trying to make others feel bad. I can tell that from reading your posts. As far as the hitting a nerve thing, I guess I have to spell it out for you, all the angry comments about "gullable parents and how they are easy marks" etc...read your own post Ms. Self righteous. It is obvious who your seething rage is for. Are you really that clueless? Maybe so, read your posts.
Deborah:
Isn't that what YOU are attempting to accomplish here, Deborah? And, many others are looking for validation as well.
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I can't think of a time in which I expressed what I wanted another person to believe, then told the person if they reacted a certain way they would be validating my self-serving comments or agenda.
Here's a little newsflash for all you programmed seminar shade-tree therapists.... a reaction to one of your idiotic theories or suggestions does not imply that it was accurate. There are numerous reasons people react. It's not that black and white. A lame attempt to get the "validation" you accuse others of seeking, just extremely manipulative. Same techniques the shrinkydinks used on my son in the high-dollar TBS. Fortunately, he knew they were ignorant beyond belief, but also that they had the authority to make his life miserable. You don't have that kind of power here. Haven't you noticed?
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-10-07 17:50 ]
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