Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
DHS, Mount Bachelor Academy Settle Case
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I'm not too concerned over whether Barry Lerten is "aware" or not of whatever it is you seem to think he was.
What I find troublesome is your quoting Aspen press release material and claiming or insinuating that it is from an article written by a bona fide reporter who has certain standards of veracity in what he has authorship of.
When you claim, "The article goes further to say...," you are averring that what preceded your words as well as what comes after them ... is from the article. In both cases, that simply isn't true.
Since I tend to view the veracity of Aspen press releases as being somewhat less believable than assurances that the moon is made of green cheese, I find your false claims quite telling.
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Personally I think all the information is vital and important.
So, per your argument, lets remove the DHS press release and the Aspen Press release from the equation.... We are still left with:
News of the settlement was applauded by supporters of the school, including Elaine Povich, a Washington, D.C., freelance journalist, who credits MBA with "giving her son the tools he needed to study, graduate and go on with his education."
"Before MBA, he was floundering," she said. "He benefited immensely from the program, and developed important relationships with the staff there."
"It is gratifying to see the settlement in which DHS admits what we parents knew all along - the state caused a completely unecessary disruption of a unique and successful school community by acting precipitiously and without gathering all of the facts first," Povich told NewsChannel 21.
"The state went off half-cocked," Povich added. "I hope especially that this settlement will mean that no other school will be subjected in the future to similar callous treatment by DHS."
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---So, per your argument, lets remove the DHS press release and the Aspen Press release from the equation....
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Where did I argue for removing the DHS and the Aspen press releases? I never even mentioned removing them. Which hat did that rabbit come from?
I expressed concern over your insistence on misrepresentation and fraudulent attribution.
It wasn't "insistence" half a page back, but... since you still refuse to even acknowledge your error, I am forced to consider that your deception may be deliberate.
In case you need another refresher:
What I find troublesome is your quoting Aspen press release material and claiming or insinuating that it is from an article written by a bona fide reporter who has certain standards of veracity in what he has authorship of.
When you claim, "The article goes further to say...," you are averring that what preceded your words as well as what comes after them ... is from the article. In both cases, that simply isn't true.
Since I tend to view the veracity of Aspen press releases as being somewhat less believable than assurances that the moon is made of green cheese, I find your false claims quite telling.[/list][/size]
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---So, per your argument, lets remove the DHS press release and the Aspen Press release from the equation....
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Where did I argue for removing the DHS and the Aspen press releases? I never even mentioned removing them. Which hat did that rabbit come from?
I expressed concern over your insistence on misrepresentation and fraudulent attribution.
It wasn't "insistence" half a page back, but... since you still refuse to even acknowledge your error, I am forced to consider that your deception may be deliberate.
In case you need another refresher:
What I find troublesome is your quoting Aspen press release material and claiming or insinuating that it is from an article written by a bona fide reporter who has certain standards of veracity in what he has authorship of.
When you claim, "The article goes further to say...," you are averring that what preceded your words as well as what comes after them ... is from the article. In both cases, that simply isn't true.
Since I tend to view the veracity of Aspen press releases as being somewhat less believable than assurances that the moon is made of green cheese, I find your false claims quite telling.[/list][/size]
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Sorry, Ursus, I am not that Anal about differentiating between portions of the same article. I find it important to include DHS's comments as well as Aspens comments even though you may feel they are press releases. Some people may feel government agencies like DHs are less credible. This isnt up to you or I to filter. We should present the whole article. If you feel the certain parts of the article are more credible then that is okay and is your opinion.
Personally I think DHS got a hold of some bad information which they based their decision to close MBA on. When they looked further into it they realized they screwed up (their info was not credible) and Aspen was suing them. No abuse occurred (as we now know) and the DHS press release was damage control as they slowly backed off. This is very evident to me. You may see it differently which is fine.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote ---The emotional growth curriculum included but was not limited to sexual role play in front of staff and peers requiring students to say derogatory phrases about themselves in front of staff and peers requiring students to reenact past physical abuse in front of staff and peers permitting staff to engage in the usage of derogatory names phrases and ridicule of students and deprivation of sleep...
All students were required to participate...
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This, among many other reasons, is why MBA was closed down. Just read the above passage, and if you're OK with it, then you ought to be strung up because it is blatant sexualized child abuse. That's a fact some here desperately want to avoid.
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:nods:
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The DHS reacted on poor information. After the investigation they reversed their position.
What I like to do is get back to the latest information at hand. A lot of things were said by DHS that they regret. Here is the latest article on MBA and a statement:
Link
"DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA"
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote ---The emotional growth curriculum included but was not limited to sexual role play in front of staff and peers requiring students to say derogatory phrases about themselves in front of staff and peers requiring students to reenact past physical abuse in front of staff and peers permitting staff to engage in the usage of derogatory names phrases and ridicule of students and deprivation of sleep...
All students were required to participate...
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This, among many other reasons, is why MBA was closed down. Just read the above passage, and if you're OK with it, then you ought to be strung up because it is blatant sexualized child abuse. That's a fact some here desperately want to avoid.
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:nods:
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The DHS reacted on poor information. After the investigation they reversed their position.
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Says you.
--- Quote --- A lot of things were said by DHS that they regret. Here is the latest article on MBA and a statement:
Link
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It says NOTHING in there about regretting anything they did. In fact, it actually says, "Under the settlement, the state is withdrawing or modifying all of its orders and actions taken against the school, but says it still stands by its decision to investigate the facility, which had about 90 students and more than 75 staff as of early last year, with tuition of $6,400 a month."
We don't know what the terms of the settlement were. It could very well be that Aspen Ed has agreed to suspend or disavow their "Lifesteps" and other violations found in the investigation.
--- Quote ---"DHS has agreed to withdraw or modify all of its actions against MBA"
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BECAUSE THEY CLOSED DOWN AFTER ALL THE VIOLATIONS WERE BROUGHT TO LIGHT
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