I wouldn't dispute that. Lots of people think the LGAT experience is a positive one long after it's over. It doesn't make it a positive experience objectively. Lots of victims of childhood sexual abuse feel the same way, and carry on to abuse others. I was elated after I went through my LGAT, and it took me a while to realize just how fucked up, for example, the disclosure circles, actually were. Same with a lot of the exercises. It's like an "aha" moment when you realize "Oh dear. That was just plain wrong and manipulative". I realized it in program, long before most people, and long before I ever found Fornits. I don't think any "outsider" can read an honest description of an LGAT and not think "there is something wrong here". A lot of social pressure is needed to keep adults in such seminars. Kids, as you point out, don't have the option of leaving.