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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2003, 12:32:00 AM »
Here is the article in the LA Times that calls attention to how MORMONISM can and does impact the care and treatment of youth in residential treatment programs owned and operated by someone who attributes his success to his MORMON FAITH.

Key to His Schools' Success? It's God, Founder Says
Robert Lichfield founded one small facility and built it into a business empire. In an interview, he makes frequent reference to his Mormon faith.


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Doubting Their 'Tough Love'
July 13, 2003

By John-Thor Dahlburg, Times Staff Writer


ST. GEORGE, Utah -- Robert Browning Lichfield opened his first "tough-love" academy at a time when he was so financially strapped that he, his wife and four children lived crowded together in a one-room apartment.

In the ensuing 16 years, Lichfield had three more children, added 10 schools to his investment portfolio and founded a business empire whose holdings include everything from restaurants to radio stations.

At 49, Lichfield cuts an unmistakable swath through this fast-growing southwestern Utah city. In achieving material success, he has also become something of a civic and political figure ? and a major contributor to the state's Republican Party.

When asked about his success, and about the criticism surrounding the school network that he created, he makes reference to his fervent Mormon faith.

God is the key to his accomplishments, he says, and Satan is stirring up his foes.

"We're here getting kids off drugs and other evils," Lichfield said during a rare interview at the headquarters of the World Wide Assn. of Specialty Programs and Schools. "We're here connecting kids with their families. We're here getting kids in touch with their higher source.

"Do I believe, being a God-believing person, that the adversary to all good is going to sit back and let that happen without a major unleashing of dark forces? No, I don't."

Lichfield is a bearded man, with a burly physique and shy, congenial manner recalling John Candy, the late actor and comic. He wore an open-necked shirt and toyed with a business card during an interview with the Los Angeles Times ? a meeting he agreed to only after months of negotiation.

He requested his photograph not be published in The Times because "some kids are a little deranged.... You never know what they might do."

Lichfield says his role in the for-profit schools is that of an investor and advisor, but his adversaries say he has a key role in managing them. Whatever the case, he usually leaves Ken Kay, the association's white-haired president, to answer questions about the schools' policies.

Lichfield's role in politics is easier to pin down. According to Federal Elections Commission records, Lichfield and his wife gave the Republican Party $175,000 in a recent 12-month period, and he was named Republican of the Year this year by the Washington County GOP.

"As a person, he is great," said county GOP Chairman Naghi Zeenati. "He is community-minded and always available to help."

Lichfield got his first job with problem teens in 1977 when he was a "dorm parent" at a private boys' school on a wooded lot north of Provo. At the fenced-in compound known as Provo Canyon School for Boys, students were subjected to tough treatment, including long periods of solitary confinement and forced lie-detector tests.

It was "baptism by fire," said Lichfield, who has no formal qualifications in education or child psychology and didn't graduate from college. On the job, he said, "you learn real fast, just as a [physician's assistant] learns doctoring skills by working with doctors."

However, not all of his charges from those days recall the fledgling educator with fondness. David Doran, 34, of Tarzana spent time in his youth at Provo Canyon and said he remembers Lichfield as a humorless, dictatorial figure who seemed to delight in taunting students.

About the same time, Lichfield founded the Cross Creek school, his first. In 1987, Lichfield signed a contract to run Brightway Adolescent Hospital in St. George, which health officials said quickly became a pipeline for enrolling students in tough-love schools.

State inspectors investigated the private psychiatric institution after receiving complaints of children being admitted without consent from both parents and a failure to report a suspected case of child abuse, Utah Department of Health spokeswoman Debra Wynkoop said. The hospital shut down in 1998 after being informed by state health officials that they were going to order its closure, Wynkoop said.

By the time WWASPS was created in 1998, Lichfield said he had let other people assume ownership and management of the schools. Ken Kay, president of WWASPS, declined a request from The Times to provide a list of the owners. But some affiliates are family members.

Lichfield's younger brother Narvin owns Carolina Springs Academy near Abbeville, S.C., and the Academy at Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica. Kay's son, Jay, runs the WWASPS school in Jamaica, called Tranquility Bay.

What Lichfield does own, he said, are many of the buildings and grounds that house the WWASPS schools. Title formally belongs to a legal entity with a name intentionally so long newspapers won't print it, he joked. That entity, the Robert Browning Lichfield Limited Family Partnership, has Lichfield and his wife, Patricia, as sole partners, according to documents filed with the Utah secretary of state's office in 1995. Lichfield said he co-owns other properties with business associates.

As for his role in WWASPS, on paper Lichfield is simply a trustee. Some adversaries contend that the limited designation is the way he protects himself from legal liability.

A thicket of interrelated, for-profit companies has grown up around the nonprofit WWASPS. They include Teen Help, the association's marketing arm; Teen Escort Service, which convoys children to and from member schools; and R&B Billing, which sends the monthly bills to parents and processes their payments.

Thomas Burton, an attorney in Pleasanton, Calif., who has sued WWASPS, its member schools and associated businesses at least seven times ? though he has yet to win a case ? contends that all of these entities function as a huge, single commercial venture with Lichfield at the heart.

"The corporations keep shifting and being reconstituted with different people in different places," Burton said. "It seems they want to keep this a moving target."

In March, the Northern California lawyer filed suit in federal court in Salt Lake City on behalf of a former student at Tranquility Bay, claiming the WWASPS school in Jamaica was a "steaming squalid jungle camp, infested with flies, mosquitoes, scorpions and vermin."

After listening patiently during his interview with The Times to a recounting of these kinds of parent and student complaints, Lichfield spoke again of religious faith and his conviction that the methods he pioneered have aided many.

"God can't help everybody. I don't know how we're going to," he said. "But it [WWASPS] does provide an opportunity for thousands of kids to improve their lives. Those who choose not to, choose not to."
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2003, 01:42:00 AM »
Well, I think it is a mistake to specifically talk about your religion when you are running places of this magnitude. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with talking about God as long as everyone that puts thier kid in there knows about it. Seriously though, are you so ignorant to think that this man represents the Mormon church? Come on. So if Arnold Schwartzanagger comes out and says he is Mormon that will immediatly mean all Mormons grope women? Give me a break. HOLD THE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABLE :exclaim:
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2003, 01:53:00 AM »
DITTO......really, if you are running places like these keep your religion at home. No program is ever perfect and sometimes when your not there bad stuff can happen. Then guess what? You get a bunch of ignorant people that want to blame everything on your religion. When really it's just your fault. It is a big responsibility making sure nothing bad happens to these kids and if the only way to do it is to only have one program and be there 24 7 then that's what you should be doing.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2003, 02:18:00 AM »
"We're here getting kids off drugs and other evils," Lichfield said during a rare interview at the headquarters of the World Wide Assn. of Specialty Programs and Schools. "We're here connecting kids with their families. We're here getting kids in touch with their higher source.

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There you go, right from the horse's mouth, too.

The salvation of kids via the BOOK OF MORMON and of course, several thousands of dollars in
indoctrination fees to ensure they connect with THE PROGRAM (oops, I mean their "families").

 :wink:
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2003, 02:24:00 AM »
What??? I didn't see anything about the Book of Mormon in there.
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2003, 02:47:00 AM »
I read the whole thing about Lichfield. You guys are really stretching this religious thing. You don't even have to be Mormon to be annoyed. Read over your stuff, your starting to sound pretty stupid. So the guys a jerk that happens to also be Mormon. Snore...Snore...So what are you going to do about him???
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2003, 02:47:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-06 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

""We're here getting kids off drugs and other evils," Lichfield said during a rare interview at the headquarters of the World Wide Assn. of Specialty Programs and Schools. "We're here connecting kids with their families. We're here getting kids in touch with their higher source.



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There you go, right from the horse's mouth, too.



The salvation of kids via the BOOK OF MORMON and of course, several thousands of dollars in
indoctrination fees to ensure they connect with THE PROGRAM (oops, I mean their "families").



 :wink:

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BOOK OF MORMON meaning if kids are being saved from drugs and other such "evils", it is because of divine intervention and/or the fervent Mormonistic faith of the founder of WWASPS.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2003, 02:49:00 AM »
Whatever!! That sounds like ummmm.... let's see, Your interperation :exclaim:
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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2003, 02:52:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-06 23:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I read the whole thing about Lichfield. You guys are really stretching this religious thing. You don't even have to be Mormon to be annoyed. Read over your stuff, your starting to sound pretty stupid. So the guys a jerk that happens to also be Mormon. Snore...Snore...So what are you going to do about him??? "


"What are you going to do about him"? Seems to me that is a question better left for GOD to decide, don't you agree?
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2003, 02:55:00 AM »
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"Whatever!! That sounds like ummmm.... let's see, Your interperation :exclaim: "


No, that is LITCHFIELD's interpretation of himself.

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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2003, 03:00:00 AM »
God???? and why do you think that I think we should let God do something about him. If he is doing all this stuff to people don't you think that they should do something about him??
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2003, 03:10:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-06 23:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I read the whole thing about Lichfield. You guys are really stretching this religious thing. You don't even have to be Mormon to be annoyed. Read over your stuff, your starting to sound pretty stupid. So the guys a jerk that happens to also be Mormon. Snore...Snore...So what are you going to do about him??? "
    Amen!! I think we should spank him! :rofl:
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2003, 04:14:00 AM »
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On 2003-10-06 23:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2003-10-06 23:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


""We're here getting kids off drugs and other evils," Lichfield said during a rare interview at the headquarters of the World Wide Assn. of Specialty Programs and Schools. "We're here connecting kids with their families. We're here getting kids in touch with their higher source.





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There you go, right from the horse's mouth, too.





The salvation of kids via the BOOK OF MORMON and of course, several thousands of dollars in

indoctrination fees to ensure they connect with THE PROGRAM (oops, I mean their "families").





 :silly: Ok silly. Just to let you know your the one who wrote "meaning" ummm.....let's see that means your interperation.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2004, 01:06:00 AM »
I find this statement ridiculous.  Plural Marriage was outlawed in the state of Illinois were Joseph Smith and others practiced the principle.  Why didn't they listen to the "laws of the land?"  Could it be that they believed the Laws of God would always come before the laws of man?  Why is it that plural marriages were sanctioned on the "underground" by the First Presidency until 1904, 14 years after the manifesto?  Why was it, that President John Taylor did not listen to the laws of the land of the Territory of Deseret that made polygamy illegal?  He died running from U.S. Marshalls that were to arrest him for strictly breaking the laws of the land in regards to polygamy. I do not agree whatsoever with men that marry so-called "child brides," but for polygamists that marry people of age, let them do so.  After all, "We claim the aprivilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may" (Article of Faith #11).
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2004, 06:51:00 AM »
In terms of consenting adults, I agree.
Prearranged marriage between teen girls and older male family member is another story, as is say, the polygamist who has 5 wives and 29 children who are on welfare for obvious reasons. Their lifestyle then negatively impacts other tax payers. I can't think of one rational reason that one man needs 5 wives and 29 children.
Green argues that polygamist children are superior to others... so therefore, taxpayers should assist with their financial support???

Here's some interesting commentary on the issue:
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08172003 ... /84432.asp
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When government infringes on a fundamental religious practice, there must be a compelling substantial interest. Such an interest must be applicable to everyone. If there is a compelling state interest, the state must use the narrowest means to accomplish the goal with minimal infringement.
    In the Green appeal, the state of Utah argues a high percentage of polygamist families, which tend to include many children, rely on government support benefits. Utah claims polygamy should be outlawed because its many kids may burden the welfare system. But Utah does not allow sterile people to practice polygamy, nor are wealthy and conscientious people permitted plural marriages.
    Utah does not identify all groups (ethnic or religious) that produce too many children or flood the welfare rolls and restrict those groups. The state allows divorce, which puts many kids on welfare rolls. Utah does not limit the number of offspring a person can produce. A statute doing so, although unconstitutional, would support the state's claimed interest in population and welfare rolls while not singling out a religious group.
    Banning polygamy to keep dependent children from the public dole is not a precise means to accomplish the claimed goal. Utah does not similarly protect children from unmarrieds or from monogamists. It is not a substantial state interest if it is of concern only as to polygamists.
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Rick Rose has an informative piece on the welfare issue:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polyg ... gamy5.html

Children should not be penalized because of the behavior of their parents. But if certain behaviors create a dependency on the public system, then it becomes a public-policy question that must be addressed'' said Roz McGee, executive director of the Salt Lake City-based advocacy group Utah Children.
In 1998 at 24 Beagley lived with her husband and three children on the outskirts of St. George, Utah. She had successfully established a new life. But she grew up on food stamps and welfare. She said, "I know women out there wouldn't be having as many babies if it weren't for the welfare. I remember being told that this was a work of God and it was up to the outside world to make us flourish.'' To get more welfare money her father's second wife lied, she claimed his first wife's children were also hers to collect more, Beagley said.
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More on Tom Green, the infamous polygamist:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins14.html

An angry Green called Utah officials "spineless" and said: "I think the leaders in Utah have turned their back on their heritage. We produce damn good children, children I would put up against any children in this society."

Green wed each woman in Utah, then divorced in Nevada before marrying the next. Each "divorced" wife then became entitled to collect welfare. According to state investigators, Green and family were able to net a total of $54,420 in welfare payments and food stamps over a period of four years.
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