Troubled Parent Invents Troubled Teen to Show "Success"

[Froderik]

Nobody is censoring anyone here.

Anyone who disagrees is worse than Hitler.

[Ursus]

WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment.  I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about?  I can see his  :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock:  is getting upset when the truth comes out.  He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.

Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here.  Are they fake?  Are they also written by Whooter?  Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong.  It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.

The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.

Sorry, Danny, at least as far as *my* words are concerned, I can safely say they do not arise from "vindictiveness." I actually feel kinda sorry for the guy.

To my mind, a large part of Whooter's continued goading, tormenting, and sparring with other fornits posters belongs to a deep-seated pathological need to recreate his former dysfunctional family life. A family life which he, unfortunately, no longer has.

Just my two cents on it, fwiw... I could be wrong!

[Son Of Serbia]

WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment.  I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about?  I can see his  :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock:  is getting upset when the truth comes out.  He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.

Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here.  Are they fake?  Are they also written by Whooter?  Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong.  It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.

The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.

Actually Danny B II, the only "predjudice" that has been demonstrated here is that PEOPLE HATE BEING LIED TO and consequently MOST PEOPLE HATE LIARS (I say most, because apparently you yourself admire liars).

Your friend John Reuben has been exposed as the LIAR that he is.  Consequently, those of us that JOHN REUBEN LIED TO, have every right to discuss the PROVEN LIES he told, as well as
compare notes concerning what else John Reuben most likely lied about.

That's what happens when someone gets caught telling lies, Danny B II.  Naturally, everything John Reuben has said is now open to scrutiny.  You insist that we all should accept John's explaination of why he lied, and leave it at that.  Why on earth should we accept the
word of John Reuben at face value, when we've already proven that he lies?  Your logic make no sense what-so-ever.

[DannyB II]

SOS wrote:
Buddy, you're not even a tiny fraction of the adequaete man that I am.  Be sure of that. And you damn well know that you disrespect everyone here, everytime you make one of your ill thought out blanket derogatory  statements about fornits posters in general - calling us all liars, plagurists, and similar such nonsense.

You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you say that I "don't know any other way to tallk" ?
Please Danny B II, don't embarrass yourself.  I CHOSE to disrespect you in that matter, because I enjoyed it,  and that's the whole honest truth.  It's so funny how you catagorize me as "going to other males with homosexual acts when they are angry with me", and then end your post by calling me a "inadequate male" ( undoubtedly a veiled reference to my member size & sexual prowess).  You should hold yourself to your own professed standards, and not be such a hypocrite Danny B II. I don't respect you, and you won't get any respect from me, as  you deserve none.  How could I respect such an obvious hypocrite?

How the hell could anyone here respect you Danny B II, after you've gone through such great
lengths to defend a PROVEN LIAR like John Reuben?  There is no defense for anyone who lies like John Reuben has done and continues to do so, the guy is trash - pure and simple.
The same can be said for the sorry sap who goes out of his way to defend such devious behavior (that would be you Danny B II)[/b]

Calling someone a inadequate male does not have to refer to a males genitals. What I was referring to in this case is your lack of control of your emotions, your inability to keep yourself from regressing to 13 years old. It seems like when you become angry and confused, your verbal reactions become about the male sexuality, preferably, homosexual references.

I do not disrespect anyone when I voice my opinion in a non-aggressive way. I do not agree with some of what I hear as you don't. Many people here accuse me of a lot of things, I don't go crazy about it. I accept it as part of the territory.

No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.

[DannyB II]

Frodie Wrote:
Sorry, Danny, at least as far as *my* words are concerned, I can safely say they do not arise from "vindictiveness." I actually feel kinda sorry for the guy.

To my mind, a large part of Whooter's continued goading, tormenting, and sparring with other fornits posters belongs to a deep-seated pathological need to recreate his former dysfunctional family life. A family life which he, unfortunately, no longer has.

Just my two cents on it, fwiw... I could be wrong!

Wrong! I don't think your wrong, you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't like to see anyone castrated on a public forum in front of members who are cheering from their closets, this is wrong.

[DannyB II]

WY wrote:
Totally agree with this assessment.  I can no longer believe anything that Whooter has posted because if he'd lie about something so big and important like having a child he doesn't have then what else wouldn't he lie about?  I can see his  :shamrock: li'l sidekick :shamrock:  is getting upset when the truth comes out.  He shouldn't idolize fabricators like this Whooter guy if he doesn't want to be disappointed in the results.

Now I'm wondering about the other "success stories" here.  Are they fake?  Are they also written by Whooter?  Any way you cut it up it makes the "pro-program" cheerleaders look terrible when the head cheerleader gets her skirt pulled up to reveal her dong.  It's unfathomable why someone would fake having a child that went to a program.

The only lying and disrespect going on here is Ursus and yourself and the prejudice you have against a certain member named Whooter.
Enjoy your time here.
This type of behavior where you target a member of the group for hate, disrespect, and to censor is exactly what goes on in programs an schools as you folks attest to. This is what we talk about here endlessly.
Why Ursus and Watchful Yoeman would want to foster such behavior is troubling to members here. We have threads in a non-moderated forum called "OFFA" where people can accuse anybody of anything or take out of context anything anyone says. As a matter of fact we already have one the has Whooters name on it already.
People who read here don't be mislead by people who are selfish and persuaded by vindictiveness.

Actually Danny B II, the only "predjudice" that has been demonstrated here is that PEOPLE HATE BEING LIED TO and consequently MOST PEOPLE HATE LIARS (I say most, because apparently you yourself admire liars).

Your friend John Reuben has been exposed as the LIAR that he is.  Consequently, those of us that JOHN REUBEN LIED TO, have every right to discuss the PROVEN LIES he told, as well as
compare notes concerning what else John Reuben most likely lied about.

That's what happens when someone gets caught telling lies, Danny B II.  Naturally, everything John Reuben has said is now open to scrutiny.  You insist that we all should accept John's explaination of why he lied, and leave it at that.  Why on earth should we accept the
word of John Reuben at face value, when we've already proven that he lies?  Your logic make no sense what-so-ever.

What did Whooter lie about, who was he lying to. Really,  what we are talking about here, is your oppression, on people you do not like. You fabricate the story however you want. The discussion, Whooter had, had nothing to do with you, he was coming to the aid of a women, who was being verbally mauled by guests. I would have done the same thing and for all we know since your posts from back when have not been strung together, you could have done the same thing.
As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.

[Son Of Serbia]

No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]

Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years
old" - Then please explain a few things to me:

1.  John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?

2.  What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth?  Can you provide any evidence at all?

Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of us liars & oppressors, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said.  I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).

[Samara]

DB - I have never professed to know who anyone is, posted an address, threatened anyone, impersonated someone or adopted aliases to obfuscate; I have never accused anyone of anything that occurred off site.  (The van incident, for example - I have no idea what happened and have never accused you of anything.) Whooter has said unforgivably horrible things about me that have nothing to do with board interactions.  The fact you support his lies show a serious lack of personal integrity. I don't know why this is okay with you.  I am surprised because one of your friends on this board is an extremely beneficent, spiritual, and upstanding human being.  I myself have been inspired by his words and experiences.  Maybe you should take a tip from him. I think he might be a better person to emulate than your current idol.

[DannyB II]

No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]

Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years old"
- The please explain a few things to me:

1.  John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?

If you would like we can go line by line through those posts so you can show all of us how he lied. You are not going to find any lies. What you will find is what you want to see.

2.  What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth?  Can you provide any evidence at all?

Yes, his word. Period. He said he is not lying, you have not proved he is. He helped a women getting her ass kicked verbally. I would think you would be cheering him.

Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of liars, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said.  I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).

You are a liar SOS, you prove this everytime you post. You take a post that had nothing to do with you, you folks asked a question why he said something that was not actually a valid point he answers the question with, this is why I did it. Is this good enough no, you have to lie, yes tell a bald face lie and say that, Whooter, "lied" to everyone about his children.
This is none of your business a mans family, whatever your reasons. Next reason your a liar, is your motivation behind embellishing this story, it is none other then to hurt him and embarrass him along with his family.
Your a sad individual, SOS, and if in fact all these accusations your hurling at Whooter are true, your no better. Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it. Just like the staff, you are acting just like a staff member. Yah, lets get Whooter up in front of the room and humiliate him, make him bleed.

[Son Of Serbia]

As a matter of fact there are many here which if we allowed Psy to string your posts together, we would see that you had done the same thing. Most of you probably had the same intentions as Whooter, to help someone else who was being railroaded.

Actually, as far as I'm concerned there is no "matter of fact" about it.  Unlike your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter", I don't use sock puppets.  My posts are readily available for all to see.  Simply search posts made by the user named "Son Of Serbia", and you will find everything I've ever said on this website.  And no, I've never needed to lie in order to "help someone being railroaded."  I've always found that telling the truth is the most effective method for supporting my views.

[Son Of Serbia]

No one here has proven Whooter lied about anything as extensive as you want to believe, I have heard no concrete evidence to back up anything that Whooter has been accused of. These are unfounded blatant lies/accusations, to try and suppress a member who does not agree with you.[/b]

Danny B II - Since according to you "I'm unable to keep myself from regressing to 13 years old"
- The please explain a few things to me:

1.  John Reuben has himself admitted to lying about having a daughter who attended a program - the posts in which he did so are linked to him and clearly available for everyone to see. If that isn't "concrete evidence" enough that Mr. Reuben lied, then please enlighten the
rest of us - what would constitute this "concrete evidence" you've mentioned?

If you would like we can go line by line through those posts so you can show all of us how he lied. You are not going to find any lies. What you will find is what you want to see.

2.  What "concrete evidence" can you provide that "Whooter" is telling the truth?  Can you provide any evidence at all?

Yes, his word. Period. He said he is not lying, you have not proved he is. He helped a women getting her ass kicked verbally. I would think you would be cheering him.

Danny B II - Instead of calling the rest of liars, and trying to suppress the FACT that your friend John Reuben AKA "Whooter" was caught lying red-handed, maybe for once, just this once - you could try actually proving what you've said.  I know it's wishful thinking on my part, but then again who knows, maybe you'll suprise me (although I highly doubt it).

You are a liar SOS, you prove this everytime you post. You take a post that had nothing to do with you, you folks asked a question why he said something that was not actually a valid point he answers the question with, this is why I did it. Is this good enough no, you have to lie, yes tell a bald face lie and say that, Whooter, "lied" to everyone about his children.
This is none of your business a mans family, whatever your reasons. Next reason your a liar, is your motivation behind embellishing this story, it is none other then to hurt him and embarrass him along with his family.
Your a sad individual, SOS, and if in fact all these accusations your hurling at Whooter are true, your no better. Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it. Just like the staff, you are acting just like a staff member. Yah, lets get Whooter up in front of the room and humiliate him, make him bleed.

 :wall:

Oh man Danny B II, where do I begin?  I must really be getting to you, for you to be personally attacking me like this.  So wait, according to you - Now I'm the Liar and "A sad individual"?  Now who has regressed to name calling like some 13 year old?  

Your "concrete evidence" is John Reuben's aka "whooter's" word that he's not lying?  Are
you joking?  The word of a liar is not "concrete evidence" at all!  The first thing every liar says
after being busted is - "No I wasn't lying."   :roflmao:    

C'mon man, can't you do any better than that?  By the way dipshit - Fornits is a public forum.  I'm the public, and I have a right to respond to everything that's posted here.  Obviously, I'm not the only poster here who knows that John Reuben aka "Whooter" lies.  You know that obviously - because you're sparring with everyone on this thread who says Whooter lies, which includes everyone but yourself!  Stop trying to censor everyone because we won't agree with your nonsensical ramblings.

[DannyB II]

DB - I have never professed to know who anyone is, posted an address, threatened anyone, impersonated someone or adopted aliases to obfuscate; I have never accused anyone of anything that occurred off site.  (The van incident, for example - I have no idea what happened and have never accused you of anything.) Whooter has said unforgivably horrible things about me that have nothing to do with board interactions.  The fact you support his lies show a serious lack of personal integrity. I don't know why this is okay with you.  I am surprised because one of your friends on this board is an extremely beneficent, spiritual, and upstanding human being.  I myself have been inspired by his words and experiences.  Maybe you should take a tip from him. I think he might be a better person to emulate than your current idol.

Y'all, just don't get where I am coming from and try your damnest not to. Samara, in the last month I have heard you say some horrible things about Whooter, with no corroboration but your buddies saying them too. I have one thing I look up too and that is God, as I understand him. I try to emulate no one.
I will never tolerate anyone being railroaded or attacked while I can help, I don't care if all you hate him. I have said some very bad things on this board under duress, not making excuses nor proud of them. People can be very cruel, especially program people, it has been my experience.
I can not understand you Samara, I tried. I have tried with others here also, I believe you are jaded and you cover it up with kids, college and lifestyles and but it is still there. A point; look at how many of you are in the mental/emotional health field, just about everyone. You are all experts on what happened to you, yet you all (my opinion) are still missing one thing, normal. You don't know what normal, is.
Stick 10 program people in a room with a vase filled with "normal" and they would all kill themselves trying to get it.  
One blessed thing about Whooter, he knows normal, he does normal everyday, he talks normal, he thinks normal.
Most of us knew from day one we weren't normal and everyday since that day we have been trying to convince ourselves we are.
Well we aren't and that is normal.

Peace

[Son Of Serbia]

Look at yourself, your abusing the shit out of someone and feel justified to do it.

Yeah that's right, I'm abusing the shit out of the abuser: John Reuben AKA Whooter, who not only abused his own child, but continues to be an outspoken advocate of abusing other people's children well.  Oh yeah, Mr. Reuben has also heavily invested in and continues to profit financially from at least (1) such abusive program.

You're damn straight I feel justified!  Does it hurt???  :twofinger:

[Whooter]

I can't really believe anyone would even do something like that.  Sure, maybe embellish a little here and there....

So why do you think it is okay for survivors to embellish their stories?  Yet you find what I did so bad?  My motive was to help a woman and her son.  People like yourself have always been a curious to me.  There are people who come on here for information on programs and the industry and they encounter people like yourself, Yeoman, who embellish their stories and cry abuse which to me is the same as lying.

Why cant you just be honest and tell it straight out the way it is?  Why the double standard?



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[DannyB II]

SOS,
Read my posts, then read yours. You will see a difference, I am not attacking you. You asked me a question, I answered it. Part of my response included in its answer, was calling you a liar. Well that was my answer. I do believe you to be a liar.
You are angry and agitated and I do not believe in control of yourself. Which allows you to act out in a irresponsible manner.
Case in point; this topic/thread.