PUBLIC SCHOOL ABUSE

[Eliscu2]

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[none-ya]

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[Shadyacres]

Public School kids are not incarcerated, they go home at night, so I'll have to say programs are more abusive, but the attitude in both types of institutions is distressingly similar.  My high school's administration seemed to have a policy of silently condoning bullying, generally siding with the bullies.  This caused me, and most of my friends, to start thinking of school as a place to be avoided.  Skipping school got me sent to LIFE, where the sanctioned bullying was out in the open.  I think that our whole society is biased against youth.  Young people are constantly bullied by adults who do not understand the world today's young people are growing up in.  Adults tend to project their own fears and weaknesses onto the young.  This was clearly evident in LIFE, where we would routinely be accused of behavior that we had never even heard of before, like homosexual prostitution or incest.

[Whooter]

Interesting question.  Abuse is bad no matter where it occurs.  To the person being abused I don’t think a program is any worse than being abused in a public school or at home.  I believe as far as safety goes a program would be the safest environment for a child to be.  The chances of a child getting abused in a program would be much lower in my opinion.  They are exposed to less peers and potential bullies, the ratio of staff to child is higher so there is more oversight in programs than in public school.  Kids in programs don’t have to worry about being bullied over the internet or worry about the other kids texting each other against you.  Programs don’t allow a lot of idle time or down time for kids to get into trouble.  It is much more structured and the kids are kept busy doing other things besides ganging up on each other.



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[RobertBruce]

Interesting question.  Abuse is bad no matter where it occurs.  To the person being abused I don’t think a program is any worse than being abused in a public school or at home.  I believe as far as safety goes a program would be the safest environment for a child to be.  The chances of a child getting abused in a program would be much lower in my opinion.  They are exposed to less peers and potential bullies, the ratio of staff to child is higher so there is more oversight in programs than in public school.  Kids in programs don’t have to worry about being bullied over the internet or worry about the other kids texting each other against you.  Programs don’t allow a lot of idle time or down time for kids to get into trouble.  It is much more structured and the kids are kept busy doing other things besides ganging up on each other.



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So says the guy who not only was never incarcerated in a program, but has a vested finacial interest in contuing to abuse children in programs. I was locked up in a program for about a year, and I spent the rest of my education in public schools.

Public schools are far safer, they have much greater transperancy, and much more accountability, The staffing requirements are much stricter and the people are far more qualified. And even if that wasn't enough, the fact is that all of the isolated abuse incidents that do occur in public school are dealt with as soon as they are brought to light. In the child abuse programs WHooter readily supports they are quietly swept under the rug, and often times the staff in question remains employed.

[DannyB II]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The actual/potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
Teachers are not that much more qualified on the whole, they are under paid and overwhelmed in numbers (in classrooms).
Just ask the teachers in this country, look it up on google, violence in schools is off the charts, school teachers abusing kids sexually is out of control, restraining children has finally been regulated, there are more police and gun control measures in schools the ever before.
If this makes schools safer then programs, ok.

[RobertBruce]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.

So because you believe the potential for abuse is higher, not actual incidents, that in your mind means programs are safer?

You are of course ignorning the fact that no matter how much more parents are involved with kids in programs then they were in the past (they're not, youre wrong again) it doesnt change the fact that communication is always restricted whenever the programs deem it approrpriate. In public schools even if a situation arose where a school would not allow a child to use a phone for an entire school day, or go home early (impossible situation that is not going to happen) at the end of the day a child is free to go home and report to their parents any incidents that occur. Programs prefer zero oversight, and zero accountability. For that reason alone public schools are safer. They have oversight and accountability to the hilt.

[DannyB II]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.

So because you believe the potential for abuse is higher, not actual incidents, that in your mind means programs are safer?

You are of course ignorning the fact that no matter how much more parents are involved with kids in programs then they were in the past (they're not, youre wrong again) it doesnt change the fact that communication is always restricted whenever the programs deem it approrpriate. In public schools even if a situation arose where a school would not allow a child to use a phone for an entire school day, or go home early (impossible situation that is not going to happen) at the end of the day a child is free to go home and report to their parents any incidents that occur. Programs prefer zero oversight, and zero accountability. For that reason alone public schools are safer. They have oversight and accountability to the hilt.

Robert, stay on the topic. If you want to debate another point open another thread. Felice was asking a specific question not asking for a debate.

[RobertBruce]

And I answered it. Ask for help if you need it son, or just slow down on the Miller's.

[shaggys]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
Teachers are not that much more qualified on the whole, they are under paid and overwhelmed in numbers (in classrooms).
Just ask the teachers in this country, look it up on google, violence in schools is off the charts, school teachers abusing kids sexually is out of control, restraining children has finally been regulated, there are more police and gun control measures in schools the ever before.
If this makes schools safer then programs, ok.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on Fornits. It defies even basic common sense. Danny, dude, please come on. You are being Whooters lap dog here and making yourself look really bad in the process. You know that is ridiculous. A typical public school is far safer for a kid than a typical treatment program. Any person capable of normal thought and reasoning knows this to be true.

[Whooter]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
Teachers are not that much more qualified on the whole, they are under paid and overwhelmed in numbers (in classrooms).
Just ask the teachers in this country, look it up on google, violence in schools is off the charts, school teachers abusing kids sexually is out of control, restraining children has finally been regulated, there are more police and gun control measures in schools the ever before.
If this makes schools safer then programs, ok.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on Fornits. It defies even basic common sense. Danny, dude, please come on. You are being Whooters lap dog here and making yourself look really bad in the process. You know that is ridiculous. A typical public school is far safer for a kid than a typical treatment program. Any person capable of normal thought and reasoning knows this to be true.

Shaggys, you never even posed an argument.  You ridiculed another poster for being ignorant and then you stated that people should be born with the knowledge that one place is safer than another.  Whats up with that?
In my opinion Just based on common sense alone the safest place for a child would be the place where they are exposed to the least risk.  Programs are closed systems which reduces the chances of any outside people coming in contact with the child to abuse them.  There is very little unsupervised down time also.

Public schools are less structured with large class sizes and expose the child to unmonitored periods on the bus, walk home, weapons in other kids possession, home alone until the parents get there to name a few.

So on paper (normal thought and reasoning) the safer choice would be in a program.



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[DannyB II]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
Teachers are not that much more qualified on the whole, they are under paid and overwhelmed in numbers (in classrooms).
Just ask the teachers in this country, look it up on google, violence in schools is off the charts, school teachers abusing kids sexually is out of control, restraining children has finally been regulated, there are more police and gun control measures in schools the ever before.
If this makes schools safer then programs, ok.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on Fornits. It defies even basic common sense. Danny, dude, please come on. You are being Whooters lap dog here and making yourself look really bad in the process. You know that is ridiculous. A typical public school is far safer for a kid than a typical treatment program. Any person capable of normal thought and reasoning knows this to be true.

The programs of 2010 as opposed to public schools, you would be wrong Shaggy. I will not argue programs of yesterday anymore.

[DannyB II]

Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
Teachers are not that much more qualified on the whole, they are under paid and overwhelmed in numbers (in classrooms).
Just ask the teachers in this country, look it up on google, violence in schools is off the charts, school teachers abusing kids sexually is out of control, restraining children has finally been regulated, there are more police and gun control measures in schools the ever before.
If this makes schools safer then programs, ok.

This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on Fornits. It defies even basic common sense. Danny, dude, please come on. You are being Whooters lap dog here and making yourself look really bad in the process. You know that is ridiculous. A typical public school is far safer for a kid than a typical treatment program. Any person capable of normal thought and reasoning knows this to be true.

Shaggys, you never even posed an argument.  You ridiculed another poster for being ignorant and then you stated that people should be born with the knowledge that one place is safer than another.  Whats up with that?
In my opinion Just based on common sense alone the safest place for a child would be the place where they are exposed to the least risk.  Programs are closed systems which reduces the chances of any outside people coming in contact with the child to abuse them.  There is very little unsupervised down time also.

Public schools are less structured with large class sizes and expose the child to unmonitored periods on the bus, walk home, weapons in other kids possession, home alone until the parents get there to name a few.

So on paper (normal thought and reasoning) the safer choice would be in a program.
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Why this is so hard to understand baffles me.

[shaggys]

To all concerned: Abuse in the public school system is statistically non-existant when compared with abuse in teen residential treatment centers. Simply google it to find out for yourself. I will not participate in this mindless discussion. Whooters agenda here is abundantly clear for all to see. To even participate in such a ridiculous discussion is to give it some measure of credibility. Score another point for Whoot. You should be real proud of yourselves Whoot and Danny, real proud.  ::puke::

[DannyB II]

To all concerned: Abuse in the public school system is statistically non-existant when compared with abuse in teen residential treatment centers. Simply google it to find out for yourself. I will not participate in this mindless discussion. Whooters agenda here is abundantly clear for all to see. To even participate in such a ridiculous discussion is to give it some measure of credibility. Score another point for Whoot. You should be real proud of yourselves Whoot and Danny, real proud.  ::puke::

Shaggy you won't google it because you are lazy and a bully. If you can't have it your way then screw it. You are wrong on this one point, what is the big deal.
No, your big deal is everything has to be a competition. You have to be right no matter what.
We can't have a conversation because you will drag it to the school yard and want to fight about it. So what if Whooter, Max and myself don't agree with you, there are thousands of others who don't either, they just don't bother posting here.