Responsibility for Abuse in the Troubled Teen Industry

[RobertBruce]

The ability of kids to report abuse is one more reason why so many of these places do all they can to avoid proper licensure and state oversight. Licensed properly they are required to not only have a hotline made available to the kids at any time to report abuse, but a full time state employee who serves the same function. Again, this is why they isolate kids, restrict outside communication and shuttle kids off anytime there is a major altercation. Especially the physical ones. Whenever fellow inmates would get into a fight, the issue was dealt with on campus. Whenever a fight broke out between inmates, and a staffer the kid got sent out in the woods.

About my fourth or fifth month in I told one of the counselors exactly where he could go and how to get there. Upon my walking away and having my back towards him he eloquently responded by kicking me in the small of my back. I'm sure that's theraputic somewhere. In any event, it wasn't my fault that he bit off more than he could chew and ended up receiving from me the beat down of his life. While he was crying over his broken teeth and nose swearing he would sue my parents I was told to pack my things as I was going camping for quite awhile. They sent me out into the woods immediatly for several weeks, all in an effort to keep me from relaying what had happened to either my parents or the authorities. I saw the same thing happen numerous times for the exact same reasons.

So tell me Max, where in that situation was I given the opportunity to contact the authorities?

[Maximilian]

To *my* mind, and I may very well be reading material into this that is not there, Samara is not just talking about physical survival, but emotional and psychological survival as well. And, yeah, a lot of kids did not make it as far as the latter is concerned.

One thing programs are particularly good at crippling, despite glowing marketing propaganda to the contrary, is even sub-ordinary development of kids' capacities for mercy and empathy. I would venture that you seem to have been especially hard hit in this general area.

You're completely right, Ursus. When I came to fornits and explained my positions I was met with nothing but empathy, people talked about how great it was, that even though they had negative experiences, they were pleased that I had a positive one. I was told, kindly, maturely, and politely that they understood why I say the program saved my life, and read my experiences and opinions and understand what I say, and accept it as accurate of my own interpretation of my own life. Oh wait, that's not right, fornits is filled with the most close minded, unempathetical, group thinkers I've ever encountered. Where outside thought is met with insults, intimidation, conspiracy theories and childish pictures. But surely when fornits stalks people in real life and posts their info, and posts pictures and personal information of staff, they are exercising their mercy, right? I suggest that you, and every other extremist anti program poster here take a little of their own empathy medicine, and look at what happened through the perspective of your parents, teachers, and the program staff you condemn without a second thought.

[Maximilian]

Upon my walking away and having my back towards him he eloquently responded by kicking me in the small of my back. I'm sure that's theraputic somewhere. In any event, it wasn't my fault that he bit off more than he could chew and ended up receiving from me the beat down of his life.

I've read enough internet tough guy stories to know when I'm being lied to. Nice attempt at portraying yourself as a victim without the necessary emasculation. I think you'd do better just to say you got beat up and cried, and wrote your mom a letter, and asked her to take you home, but she said no. That way you can make people hate program staff, and program parents all in one fell swoop. Two birds with one stone. But with this bit of program fiction you've created, you come off as a troubled teenager who deserved to be in a program, and the staff a victim of your anger issues. In the end, it makes me empathize with your parents for sending you to a program. I suggest a rewrite.

[RobertBruce]

I find it ironic that you can speak of fabricating stories given that you've shown yourself to be a verifiable liar already on here. That and your constant admonishments of others claiming that they're crying and playing the victim card. If you're not lying about being blackmailed you're crying about your treatment on fornits,

"Waaaahh people on fornits picked me! Why aren't they nice?"

Of course ignoring the fact that you've dismissed peoples stories while crying and claiming you've received the same treatment. Of course you won't be up front about your experiences or even where you were, plus we already know you're a liar so there's probably good reason to.

You're welcome to disbelieve my story if you like. Child abuse advocates like yourself always dismiss blatent abuse stories because it highlights the institutionalized forms of abuse going on in these places that you seem to love and adore so much.

In the meantime you're welcome to do a little back reading son. I've made mention of that particular story on many occasions on various threads. A staffer thought he could handle beating up on a kid, and ended up getting his teeth kicked in. They tried to make me apologize but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what for. Maybe you could explain it? While you're doing that I wonder if you could go a little more into why I placed at HLA. You seem to think you know, so I'd appreciate any insight you can offer. That is of course if you can take time off from your hobby of reading internet tough guy stories.  :deal:

I've read enough internet tough guy stories to know when I'm being lied to. Nice attempt at portraying yourself as a victim without the necessary emasculation. I think you'd do better just to say you got beat up and cried, and wrote your mom a letter, and asked her to take you home, but she said no. That way you can make people hate program staff, and program parents all in one fell swoop. Two birds with one stone. But with this bit of program fiction you've created, you come off as a troubled teenager who deserved to be in a program, and the staff a victim of your anger issues. In the end, it makes me empathize with your parents for sending you to a program. I suggest a rewrite.

[Whooter]

About my fourth or fifth month in ....

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[Maximilian]

About my fourth or fifth month in ....

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Yeah it's fairly obvious this robertbruce poster is full of it. I put them on ignore, not even worth the time reading their posts.

[RobertBruce]

Yet neither one of you seem to be able to either back up your claims, ever. Let me know if you work up the courage. If not, laughing at you never stops getting old.


Now I know you both enjoy derailing pertinant topics in an effort to keep good information down. You won't be doing that with this one. Stay on topic or I'll ask Psy to ban you both. Not that either one of you contributes anything worth paying attention to.

[shaggys]

At least part of the responsibility for abuse in these programs is due to program parents like Max/Suckit and Whooter who continue to deny what happens at these places in an attempt to ease their own guilt over having harmed their children in them. Max/suckit obviously caused great harm to her kids by having them placed in a abusive situation. I just wish she would apolagize to her kid and move on instead of coming here to play games.

[RobertBruce]

She never will. Because she is incapable of understanding what abuse really is, she doesn't view the abuse she passes onto her own children as being a problem. She probably just admonishes her kids further and tells them to stop crying. Of course she probably does while crying herself about how mean they are to her.

[shaggys]

She never will. Because she is incapable of understanding what abuse really is, she doesn't view the abuse she passes onto her own children as being a problem. She probably just admonishes her kids further and tells them to stop crying. Of course she probably does while crying herself about how mean they are to her.

Yeah in a previous post she boasted of her belief that mental, emotional and verbal abuse were not "real" abuse at all. One of the most disturbing posts ever on Fornits by a program parent.

[Whooter]

Oh, I've decided I'm going to email your sister Catharine next. You've got about 22 hours left to either back up your claim, or acknowlege you made it up.

Look, Bruce, if you dont keep these threats and attacks in the "Open free for all" thread, psy is going to call  you out.

Its funny how everytime I catch Bruce exaggerating or lying (and call him on it) he starts sending out emails to people or trying to Blackmail me into backing up his lies.

"Okay whooter thats it.  I am going to email your mother unless you start agreeing with me!!"  lol



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[DannyB II]

Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.

Anne you admitted yourself here on fornits, many times, that programs are helpful in most cases and that you had embellished many of the events that you claim occurred inside the program.

Link, please?

I do not recall Anne saying that "programs are helpful in most cases." Nor do I recall her "embellishing" any events from program.

Ursus, give it a rest and worry about your posts.

[DannyB II]

Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.

Anne you admitted yourself here on fornits, many times, that programs are helpful in most cases and that you had embellished many of the events that you claim occurred inside the program.

Link, please?

I do not recall Anne saying that "programs are helpful in most cases." Nor do I recall her "embellishing" any events from program.

Me neither.. that statement was complete fabrication.....maybe Whooter could be banned for that?

Speaking of "fabrications," in a loose interpretation of the word:

We have all embellished our experiences.

Speak for yourself, DannyB. I don't think any one of us is in the position to speak for every one of us here, unless you're talking 'bout the physical necessity of elimination, fecestically speaking.  

Lemme put it this way: You certainly do not speak for me.

Yeah, I am most definitely speaking for you, as a matter of fact you were tops on the list.

[Whooter]

Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.

Link, please?

I dont believe she has a link, Ursus.  I remember the conversation well and she just made this up.  I dont know why she says things like this.



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[DannyB II]

If you were beat and starved in a program, then call the cops. Tell them the staff member's name who beat you and starved you, and have them charged with aggravated assault on a minor. The punishment would likely involve jail time, wouldn't that be sweet justice? Oh but wait. The police ask for pesky things like evidence, witness statements, and corroboration. Shucks. Guess that's why nobody here calls the cops on all the "abuse" going on right now in programs across the country, right? Well, at least we have the internet, where we can say whatever we want, condemn whoever we want and nobody asks us for proof.

Uneffingbelievable, M. You know damn well no one could complain because staff just called you a liar and said that is why you were in the program. And mental and emotional abuse? Hard to prove. Plus, we were not who we are today - able to sift through all the BS as easily. We were trying to survive. And for many of us, that meant buying in. But if you dared to complain, your ass was grass for the rest of your tenure. I kept my lips zipped and stayed under the radar. Anyone who didn't was quashed hard and fast.

I mean come on how hard is to believe, M? The whole of No Ko is brainwashed.

Plus, there was the whole practice of the compartmentalization of information. Even amongst staff. The do-gooder types at Hyde, who'd get attracted or talked into such a job based on their desire to "help kids" and "make a difference," would often be completely out of the loop as far as some of the more nefarious goings on were concerned. I imagine, most still are.

Sometimes, in cases of egregious abuse even beyond the pale of the systemic mindfuckery everyone was subjected to, Hyde would create its own version of events, squelch the exchange of information, and put out rumors disparaging the victim, e.g., that the event "never happened," and/or that the victim was exaggerating or "unstable." Folks wouldn't know what to believe.

Yep, exactly how you see it, ya got any links, to back up these hair brained ideas about Hyde.