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Look what stupid Ken Z. has done

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Antigen:
Artman, when you say 'deface', are you saying Nazi hacked the site and changed it somehow? Or just that he posted entries that Ken doesn't like?

I think Ken's living an illusion that he can have a site based on input from a lot of different people and also have it say only what he wants said. If he decides to take it down, as he's always been threatening to do, that's his choice. No one can make him do it.

As for moles reporting back to the abusers, who cares? This is all publicly posted info. If the Program people want to read it, they can. As a matter of fact, we know that they sometimes do. Otherwise, we wouldn't be getting letters of demand citing specific urls and demanding that we censor certain material.

If you want to have a private conversation with someone or a few people and you don't want it getting back to Elan, then use private email or ask me and I'll set up a private forum if you need it. And don't invite Ken. I wouldn't trust him with confidential info either.

But, at the bottom of it, the Fornits forums are all about letting anyone say whatever they want to say so that the truth can come out. The Programs depend on keeping secrets to protect their interests. We don't have that burdon on this side of the issue.
Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me.
Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.
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Nazi:
Yes Ken delete's anything that is said bad about elan.He is pro elan all the way.I have posted some content there that exposes the truth about elan, and it wasnt even nasty and he still deleted it.Ken doesnt want the truth expose at his stupid site, Ken wants elan to be what he pretends it to be at his site.

Kens makes up his own history about elan at his website the way he would like it to be, in other words Ken's webpage is nothing but a fanatsy.

Paul St. John:
If Ken is actually a supporter of Elan, the he exists in an adversarial position to freedom in the first place.

I am a fan of property rights, myself.  Ken or anybody else, as far as I am concerned has the right to delete whatever the fuck they wnat off their site, and we have the right to judge Ken or whoever the fuck we want as well.


Freedom is a two- way road..

and NO, Nazi's freedom is not EVER at the discretion of Ken, when he is sitting on his couch, walking down the street, or even posting at Ken's site.


A person's freedom is never rightfully at any other person s discretion.

But ken is of course free to delete whatever the fuck he wants, and so long as the property owners, here allow, it, we can post whatever the fuck we want about him.


Freedom of mind and opinion is firts and primary.. It is an inalienable freedom, and it is also the freedom that schools such as Elan attempt to trick into thinking that you do not have.


Many brilliant minds throughout time, have said things along the lines of " You are what you think" or " Our thoughts create our lives"

When someone attempts to restrict the free flwo of your thoughts, or deceive into accepting their belifes as your own, they affect your life, your future, and your very state of being, and stongly limit the freedomw of all three..


I know I got off topic, there... just couldn t help myself. LOL!




Paul St. John

Anonymous:
This site is really bugging me now.  You are going after Ken because he deleted some posts.  If you read very carefully about what he states when signing the guestbook about personal attacks than you would understand why your petty stabs at people were deleted.  I don't know Ken, but I'm pretty sure if you posted something in the guestbook about how you feel you got nothing productive out of Elan and left out your petty stabs, he'd put it in the guest book.  I assume the reason he deletes such statements is so his site can be a way for old friends to re-connect or talk about a very unique experience we all share, whereas the webmaster at this site allows very petty and vindictive posts, so nothing productive gets done.  All people do here is rant, vent, and bitch about people they don't know anymore, hmmm seems real productive to me.

Paul St. John:

--- Quote ---On 2003-10-02 00:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This site is really bugging me now.  You are going after Ken because he deleted some posts.  If you read very carefully about what he states when signing the guestbook about personal attacks than you would understand why your petty stabs at people were deleted.  I don't know Ken, but I'm pretty sure if you posted something in the guestbook about how you feel you got nothing productive out of Elan and left out your petty stabs, he'd put it in the guest book.  I assume the reason he deletes such statements is so his site can be a way for old friends to re-connect or talk about a very unique experience we all share, whereas the webmaster at this site allows very petty and vindictive posts, so nothing productive gets done.  All people do here is rant, vent, and bitch about people they don't know anymore, hmmm seems real productive to me."

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Listen to me dipstick.. You don t knwo what the word productive word.  You are hard-wired to thin it means " at the expense of the self"

Your words are useless to me.  

You speak another language.  

Go short0circuit somewhere, will ya?

Ken's a big boy.. he can take care of himself.

You don't like that we can post whatever we want here, robo-boy?

Well, that's what the real world is like, ain't it?

You turn on your TV, you may see shit you don't like, but it ain't up to you.. You can always tunr the TF off..

Is any of this getting past your programming?

Paul St. John

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