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RTC teen dies: 8-13-10
Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Aw man.....another one? Jeeezus fucking christ......how many dead kids is it gonna take?
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For what? to shut down foster care? Residential Treatment? Have you personally determined the cause of death or are you blaming people again without any information, Anne.
I have already demonstrated via links and posts that we can post 10 times more kids dying in a public school setting. You show your bias by jumping the gun before you even know what happened.
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My god, with this many deaths related to hypothermia you'd think there would at the very least be a moratorium on this shit until we can find out why so many kids are dying from heatstroke.
And your bullshit comparisons to public schools hold no weight whatsoever. Apples to oranges. But you are the expert salesman/marketer so you can spin with the best of them, I'll give you that.
Ursus:
I gotta say... an inordinately large percentage of these comments seem to focus on the original hypo- vs. hyperthermia typo...
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Comments left for the above article, "Teen who collapsed at residential treatment facility dies" (by Terri Langford; Aug. 18, 2010; Houston Chronicle), #s 26-50:
mawmaw2000 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:01:21 AM
It was misstated.. she died of heat not cold... read the following article at http://www.khou.com/news/local/ Teenage-girls-heat-related-death-under-investigation-101052164.html Remove the space before "Teenage-girls"[/list]
jojogogo wrote: 8/19/2010 9:02:22 AM
wdtony wrote:
I am assuming this was a typing error and she probably died of complications of HYPERthermia
Considering the source, your probably rightgem65x2 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:07:02 AM
I need more info before I make a judgement call.
Was this young woman (she's 17, not 7) a drug user? If so for how long?
Was she obese?
Did she have any underlying health issues that no one knew about?
I mean, come on...if she was a dopehead, esp a long time one...if she was fat, or had any health problems....then neglect / abuse would have nothing to do with it.
We also have no idea of her personality...the adult in charge may have been after her to drink water, Gatorade, and she, being a typical rebellious 'troubled' girl, could have refused.
Her body may have just said, "enough! I quit!"
It happens all the time, on football fields, tracks, and basketball courts...why else would we have those de-fibrillators in sports arenas these days?
So, I think I'll wait for more info.sk134 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:19:40 AM
Myroemow, it states hyperthermia, not hypOthermia.sk134 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:20:13 AM
Whoops, guess they corrected that in this article. Maybe the first one was a typo.rushhourlee wrote: 8/19/2010 9:24:43 AM
An official with the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, which conducted an autopsy, said the girl died of complications of hyperthermia. It is not known how long the girl had been at the facility, how long she had been in foster care, or if she had a pre-existing health condition.
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I have no trust in anyone who works in the residential treatment facility. Who really knows what is going on there???? Something doesn't sound right.RobininHouston wrote: 8/19/2010 9:25:21 AM
People please educate yourselves. Hyperthermia is an INCREASE in body temperature, which is common in Houston in July due to the intense heat and humidity. My sincere condolences to the loved ones of this precious child.sunny2008 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:25:49 AM
Not sure if this article has been changed but if you read it, it says she died of HYPERthermia. A condition with the opposite cause of HYPOthermia. Hyperthermia is when the body produces or absorbs to much heat and can't dissipate the heat fast enough. Hypothermia is when your body gets to cold and can't function properly because of the drop in temperature. It is so sad to hear of another young person that has died while in the care of a state run facility. I hope this young girl gets justice if it is proved someone did not care for her properly.honeyalmasri wrote: 8/19/2010 9:26:29 AM
Hyperthermia is an elevated body temperature due to failed thermoregulation. Hyperthermia occurs when the body produces or absorbs more heat than it can dissipate.sugar1962 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:27:20 AM
I see no type in the article- it says:
An official with the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, which conducted an autopsy, said the girl died of complications of hyperthermia. It is not known how long the girl had been at the facility, how long she had been in foster care, or if she had a pre-existing health condition.kimgalex wrote: 8/19/2010 9:29:00 AM
Read the article people! It reads HYPERthermia. Heat exhaustion, heat stroke, dehydration, death. This happens when you are in the blistering heat too long. Poor girl, RIP.zeedykcynthia wrote: 8/19/2010 9:43:43 AM
With her having been still so young, it would have been either pre-existing or some sort of neglect. It is really a shame to lose someone at that age to something that could have been prevented.Gigisal wrote: 8/19/2010 9:55:02 AM
People the article says "An official with the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences, which conducted an autopsy, said the girl died of complications of hyperthermia" which means "Hyperthermia is overheating of the body. The word is made up of "hyper" (high) + "thermia" from the Greek word "thermes" (heat). Hyperthermia is literally high heat"Carat wrote: 8/19/2010 10:22:31 AM
myRomeow--correction: the article clearly states "HYPERthermia" & not "HYPOthermia"--totally two different things! HYPERTHERMIA-an increase in temperature & yes with this heat!! And who knows if she was properly hydrated, how long had they been out & type of medications she was taking--if any??TheGhostofJeffLynne wrote: 8/19/2010 10:23:22 AM
kimgalex wrote:
Read the article people! It reads HYPERthermia. Heat exhaustion, heat stroke, dehydration, death. This happens when you are in the blistering heat too long. Poor girl, RIP. 8/19/2010 9:29:00 AM
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It does NOW. She obviously edited the article.htwngrl_is_back wrote: 8/19/2010 10:29:29 AM
Poor girl was out in the heat too long. So sad.t.patriot wrote: 8/19/2010 10:37:17 AM
A few points:
1. "Hypo" is not a "typo". It's an example of incorrect usage.
2. Quit flaming the people who early on referred to "hypothermia" in the article. The Chron bloggers often correct their stories after they are published.
3. zeedykcynthia, I'll agree with "either pre-existing or some sort of neglect" as long as pre-existing at least includes past and/or current drug use, over-/under-weight or rebellion that resulted in denial of potentially-offered fluids.
4. For those who are surprised by KHOU's article being more factually correct consider:
--A. The Chron, like many newspapers, is losing circulation
--B. Circulation controls ad rates
--C. Sloppy blogger-style articles [I won't call it journalism] seems to generate more commentary due to mass speculation and argument over same
--D. The number of people closely following the exaggerated commentary means more page views
--E. More page views means more revenue for Chron[/list]
1Deedle wrote: 8/19/2010 10:38:36 AM
Sounds like Nurse Rachette locked that girl in the freezer!!! May she rest in peace, very tragic!!txgtrfrk wrote: 8/19/2010 10:41:47 AM
Wow... HISD education at its best.... How can so many people comment on something they obviously didn't read too well. It does not say Hypothermia... it clearly states hyperthermia...lolParistan wrote: 8/19/2010 10:44:34 AM
Lol, sometimes these comments crack me up..Blake1969 wrote: 8/19/2010 10:49:48 AM
myRomeow wrote:
Hypothermia? Here in texas in August? Where was she? In a freezer?
8/18/2010 11:33:41 PM
HYPERthermia... Its the oppositie of HYPOthermia... I think you may have read too fast.Darwin_Awards wrote: 8/19/2010 10:54:20 AM
Most "troubled" foster children? What's the criteria for that? Does that indicate that they have behavior problems?timtish wrote: 8/19/2010 10:58:39 AM
Hyperthermia is an elevated body temperature due to failed thermoregulation.Darwin_Awards wrote: 8/19/2010 11:05:07 AM
timtish wrote:
Hyperthermia is an elevated body temperature due to failed thermoregulation.
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It's basic Biology 101. Hypo vs. Hyper. Too Little - Too Much.gem65x2 wrote: 8/19/2010 11:07:26 AM
GOD YA'LL...she OVERHEATED...it's AUGUST....in TEXAS!!
QUIT BEING SO NIT-FREAKING-PICKY!!
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Comments left for the above article, "Teen who collapsed at residential treatment facility dies" (by Terri Langford; Aug. 18, 2010; Houston Chronicle), #s 51-75:
texastransplant wrote: 8/19/2010 11:09:43 AM
think of it this way..
hyper = over
hypo = under
they should have just stated that her death may have been caused by heat stroke. everyone would get that. Condolences to those she was close to, she's at peace now.2manykooks wrote: 8/19/2010 11:13:56 AM
I know this will generate negative comments but if this girl had been adopted by a caring family, this would be a non-issue. There are so many "pro-lifers" out there but why weren't they fighting for this girl's life? Does only unconscious fetus matter? Do only babies matter when it comes to adoption? To all you anti-choice people, I say put your money where your big, fat mouth is and adopt one of these desperately underprivileged children over the age of 2 already born who deserve a chance at life. They need love and a good home as well. It seems our anti-choicers prefer the unborn to the already born. So many children are in foster care to bad families who only take them in because the get a govt stipend. It's another form of welfare to them. These situations should never be happening in America. We're too worried about what's going on in Haiti, Africa and Missions beyond our southern border to be concerned with the welfare of our already ALIVE and severely abused and under privileged and disabled orphans. And yes, to stifle any ?'s, I have adopted an older child. In America, only the unborn and small mold-able babies matter. No one else does. Until All pro-lifers adopt an OLDER underprivileged child, you're nothing but a pompous, pious & sanctimonious poser.
I'm off my soap box now. My heart goes out to that poor girl.t.patriot wrote: 8/19/2010 11:23:24 AM
Seems like half the posts here are flaming over "hypo" vs "hyper" in the article. Those could be eliminated if Chron would either thoroughly proof before they post or track the corrections they've made since original publication. And, as far as being "NIT-FREAKING-PICKY", this is [theoretically] a newspaper and some of us still hold them to a higher standard than some 12 year old with a Facebook account.[/list]
BeckARoo wrote: 8/19/2010 11:23:30 AM
Darwin_Awards wrote:
Most "troubled" foster children? What's the criteria for that? Does that indicate that they have behavior problems?
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Typically these are children that are diagnosed emotionally disturbed, or suffer from PTSD due to the abuse they received, or other medical condition that would make placing them in a 'typical' family home difficult for the family as the level of care needed is greater than that of the average youth.Darwin_Awards wrote: 8/19/2010 11:25:41 AM
2manykooks,
Your Demographics are a bit broad. Some communities take care of their own much better than others and their children are typically not relegated to such pain and sorrow by the "villagers". Some cultures on the other hand don't give a hoot about their kids, nor most anything else decent except handouts.texaschickeee wrote: 8/19/2010 11:29:04 AM
I'm guessing that its like that cadet firefighter. She basically should have been given water and wasnt. Now of course the low paid people on the totem pole are going to get the axe when the top high paid persons are the ones that called the shots.typicalDarwin_Awards wrote: 8/19/2010 11:29:40 AM
BeckARoo wrote:
Darwin_Awards wrote:
Most "troubled" foster children? What's the criteria for that? Does that indicate that they have behavior problems?
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Typically these are children that are diagnosed emotionally disturbed, or suffer from PTSD due to the abuse they received, or other medical condition that would make placing them in a 'typical' family home difficult for the family as the level of care needed is greater than that of the average youth.
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Ah, that makes more sense. There are a lot of naysayers, but, I do however know for pretty much fact that a child who is sent to foster care comes from the homes of the "worst of the worst". These Judges don't just take kids and they give the families every opportunity in the World to get them back. CPS is a joke, you've pretty much gotta' be standing in the middle of the street with a needle in your arm beating your kid with a bat to get their attention.NativeAmerican44 wrote: 8/19/2010 11:45:50 AM
Yall need to re-read...she died of complications from HYPERthermia...not HYPORangeRoverBabe wrote: 8/19/2010 11:50:37 AM
Was this a black child? Did she have sickle cell anemia? Did she have high blood pressure? At least let us know what was known about her. Poor dear was rejected and neglected. What a sorry state of affairs when there are millions of people who would love to have a child of any age. RIP sweetie.rufrigginserious wrote: 8/19/2010 12:01:53 PM
uhh... its HYPERthermia idiots... the exact opposite of HYPOthermianadiap wrote: 8/19/2010 12:13:45 PM
HYPERTHERMIA-heat stroke not related to being cold.duh.ChicanoNation wrote: 8/19/2010 1:18:17 PM
The original version of the story stated HYPOthermia ;
Chron should add a footnote clarifying their mistake.patience001 wrote: 8/19/2010 1:29:15 PM
myRomeow wrote:
Hypothermia? Here in texas in August? Where was she? In a freezer?
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She died of hyperthermia, not hypothermia. Hypothermia is freezing to death; hyperthemia means the body temperature is too high. She probably had heat stroke or something like that!admoretti wrote: 8/19/2010 1:29:30 PM
Chances are she was on an anti-psyhotic medicine and experienced an unfortunate side effect - neuroleptic malignant syndrome. (hence the hyperthermia)
Sad - b/c most of kids in these situations are put on all kinds of meds b/c we simply don't or can't deal with them and their real issues. so what's the answer to solve our social issues? Good question, nobody seems to have one.biogurl09 wrote: 8/19/2010 1:39:21 PM
You people need reading glasses or just a brain. They never said hypothermia, it clearly says hyperthermia. Try reading it again, this time using either your reading glasses or your brain, whichever applies. Who knows, maybe you need both.JENNCSC25 wrote: 8/19/2010 2:03:53 PM
There is a lesson to be learned... YES IT IS POSSIBLE... DON'T SHOW YOUR STUPIDITY ONE DAY AND THEN CRITICIZE THE CHRONICLE THE NEXT DAY FOR THEIR MISPELLINGS OR MISINTERPRETATIONS.... ACT LIKE YOU ARE EDUCATED....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia[/list]
dbeck wrote: 8/19/2010 2:22:27 PM
biogurl09 wrote:
You people need reading glasses or just a brain. They never said hypothermia, it clearly says hyperthermia. Try reading it again, this time using either your reading glasses or your brain, whichever applies. Who knows, maybe you need both.
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Gee, you're awfully full of yourself - did it ever occur to you that the Chron corrected the error?? Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last. Next time try using your brain before berating folks who caught the error.amweaver wrote: 8/19/2010 2:34:46 PM
The article clearly states HYPERTHERMIA read it look it up if you don't understand.... post after you doSusan_H. wrote: 8/19/2010 2:55:37 PM
Re-read that paragraph folks it was not HYPOthermia (meaning low) it was HYPERthermia, also know as heat stroke. In otherwords this young lady was probably on a "forced" nature hike and was not given water or a chance to get out of the sun and cool off. If the core body temperature is not lowered as quickly as possible after the onset of symptoms the end result is death. This young ladies collapse and resulting death was completely preventable. I think that the people that operate this "residential treatment facility" (aka group home) need to be thouroughly investigated. Who in their right mind would take teenagers out on a "nature hike" with the summertime temperatures that we can get? Are these people trained in basic first aide? Was there no trained medical staff on site at this facility? With as many children as these places tend to have ALL onsite staff should be trained in recognizing multiple health conditions. The majority of staff at these types of facilities are usually under the assumption that teenagers don't get sick they are just faking it and more often than not they tend to ignore when kids complain of aches, pains, etc...ready4twins wrote: 8/19/2010 2:58:36 PM
Dear Chron.com, next time just say heat stroke. That would eliminate half the comments on this article. Thanks!maximus1059 wrote: 8/19/2010 3:11:08 PM
amweaver wrote:
The article clearly states HYPERTHERMIA read it look it up if you don't understand.... post after you do
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Hey numb nut, you do realize they go back and make corrections which would mean the initial posts were correct don't you? I guess not...A_VOICE wrote: 8/19/2010 3:41:06 PM
R.I.P. Shanice.....so sorry that you died under such cicumstances Sweetie. I hope that wherever you are, is better than here! :'(Zaniffa wrote: 8/19/2010 4:03:44 PM
The meaning of hyperthermia-exceptionally high fever.Zaniffa wrote: 8/19/2010 4:09:32 PM
Meaning of Hypothermia----subnormal temperature of the bodyHeatherB wrote: 8/19/2010 4:38:14 PM
Some medications given for mental illness mess with the brain's thermostat. It is very easy to become overheated and extremely ill as a result.
I know, I take 2 medications carrying the warning. I also depend on public transit - waiting out on a Metro bus in this heat, for me, requires extreme caution.
Sometimes, even outside, I will get cold chills. My brain thinks it is cold, when it's not. However, I am not walking around hallucinating and delusional, either. I think everyone can give THAT a thumbs up.
It may very well have been her medication. Also, many obese teens these days. Put the two together...
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Comments left for the above article, "Teen who collapsed at residential treatment facility dies" (by Terri Langford; Aug. 18, 2010; Houston Chronicle), #s 76-82:
Indianpaintbrush75 wrote: 8/19/2010 5:01:15 PM
So sad, no matter how it happened.Bruthr wrote: 8/19/2010 5:03:53 PM
A_VOICE wrote:
R.I.P. Shanice.....so sorry that you died under such cicumstances Sweetie. I hope that wherever you are, is better than here! :'(
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That makes two of us!t.patriot wrote: 8/19/2010 5:13:36 PM
Amazing how many flamers here don't get it that Chron *CORRECTED* the article *AFTER* the original comments referring to "hypothermia". I've noticed several articles lately that they have done that to. Don't recall seeing a disclaimer on any of the others either. FYI: The Southwest/baby debaucle and the Barney Fife episode in back of the bar are two examples of Chron articles corrected one or more times throughout the day.wrmsox wrote: 8/19/2010 5:21:55 PM
Hypothermia, is lowerd core body temperature.... what was said was Hyperthermia, which is just the opposite....an increased core body temperature that the body can not disapate. It can be brought on by several factors, including the obvious ~ exposure to high temps, but can also be from other sorces including drugs.WWT wrote: 8/19/2010 5:25:04 PM
What was amazing to me was the total lack of remorse or concern shown by the woman from the facility being interviewed by the news media. Her whole attitude was appalling.bvckvs wrote: 8/19/2010 6:42:12 PM
This happened at one of those private, for-profit, faith-based camps - not a state facility.
Tose faith-based ones are the worst.traceymarg wrote: 8/19/2010 8:56:49 PM
If the state mandates a person to be in a certain facility, then it is the state's responsibility to ensure that person's safety. If they were on a nature hike, the person in charge should have made sure everyone was adequately hydrated and should have been educated in basic first aid.
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Ursus:
Comment #26 from the above article, "Teen who collapsed at residential treatment facility dies":
mawmaw2000 wrote: 8/19/2010 9:01:21 AM
It was misstated.. she died of heat not cold... read the following article at http://www.khou.com/news/local/ Teenage-girls-heat-related-death-under-investigation-101052164.html Remove the space before "Teenage-girls"[/list][/list]
Here's that KHOU article copied out, fwiw:
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KHOU.com
Teenage girl's heat-related death under investigation
by khou.com staff
Posted on August 19, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Updated Thursday, Aug 19 at 9:57 AM
HOUSTON – An investigation is under way after the medical examiner said a 17-year-old girl died of hyperthermia last week.
Shanice Nibbs first showed symptoms of heat exhaustion during a nature walk at the Five Oaks Achievement Center, where she lived.
The state-run facility is in New Ulm west of Houston.
Nibbs died at Texas Children's Hospital.
Her death marks the fourth heat-related death in the Houston area.
© 2009-2010 KHOU-TV, Inc., a subsidiary of Belo Corp.
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