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« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2010, 08:27:01 PM »
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Stony, you are incapable of any honest discourse whatsoever.  I have never once defended a mosque, nor a murderer, nor Mecca, nor any pedophiles, murderers, killers, nor rapists.  Insanity is a legal term and I'm neither lawyer nor judg, so I haven' t had the opportunity to defend that group either.  You are a liar to your very core.


Your not a lawyer?
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« Reply #106 on: September 13, 2010, 11:46:24 AM »
Ted Koppel: Nine years after 9/11, let's stop playing into bin Laden's hands
   


By Ted Koppel
Sunday, September 12, 2010

The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, succeeded far beyond anything Osama bin Laden could possibly have envisioned. This is not just because they resulted in nearly 3,000 deaths, nor only because they struck at the heart of American financial and military power. Those outcomes were only the bait; it would remain for the United States to spring the trap.

The goal of any organized terrorist attack is to goad a vastly more powerful enemy into an excessive response. And over the past nine years, the United States has blundered into the 9/11 snare with one overreaction after another. Bin Laden deserves to be the object of our hostility, national anguish and contempt, and he deserves to be taken seriously as a canny tactician. But much of what he has achieved we have done, and continue to do, to ourselves. Bin Laden does not deserve that we, even inadvertently, fulfill so many of his unimagined dreams.

It did not have to be this way. The Bush administration's initial response was just about right. The calibrated combination of CIA operatives, special forces and air power broke the Taliban in Afghanistan and sent bin Laden and the remnants of al-Qaeda scurrying across the border into Pakistan. The American reaction was quick, powerful and effective -- a clear warning to any organization contemplating another terrorist attack against the United States. This is the point at which President George W. Bush should have declared "mission accomplished," with the caveat that unspecified U.S. agencies and branches of the military would continue the hunt for al-Qaeda's leader. The world would have understood, and most Americans would probably have been satisfied.

But the insidious thing about terrorism is that there is no such thing as absolute security. Each incident provokes the contemplation of something worse to come. The Bush administration convinced itself that the minds that conspired to turn passenger jets into ballistic missiles might discover the means to arm such "missiles" with chemical, biological or nuclear payloads. This became the existential nightmare that led, in short order, to a progression of unsubstantiated assumptions: that Saddam Hussein had developed weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons; that there was a connection between the Iraqi leader and al-Qaeda.

Bin Laden had nothing to do with fostering these misconceptions. None of this had any real connection to 9/11. There was no group known as "al-Qaeda in Iraq" at that time. But the political climate of the moment overcame whatever flaccid opposition there was to invading Iraq, and the United States marched into a second theater of war, one that would prove far more intractable and painful and draining than its supporters had envisioned.

While President Obama has recently declared America's combat role in Iraq over, he glossed over the likelihood that tens of thousands of U.S. troops will have to remain there, possibly for several years to come, because Iraq lacks the military capability to protect itself against external (read: Iranian) aggression. The ultimate irony is that Hussein, to keep his neighbors in check, allowed them and the rest of the world to believe that he might have weapons of mass destruction. He thereby brought about his own destruction, as well as the need now for U.S. forces to fill the void that he and his menacing presence once provided.

As for the 100,000 U.S. troops in or headed for Afghanistan, many of them will be there for years to come, too -- not because of America's commitment to a functioning democracy there; even less because of what would happen to Afghan girls and women if the Taliban were to regain control. The reason is nuclear weapons. Pakistan has an arsenal of 60 to 100 nuclear warheads. Were any of those to fall into the hands of al-Qaeda's fundamentalist allies in Pakistan, there is no telling what the consequences might be.

Again, this dilemma is partly of our own making. America's war on terrorism is widely perceived throughout Pakistan as a war on Islam. A muscular Islamic fundamentalism is gaining ground there and threatening the stability of the government, upon which we depend to guarantee the security of those nuclear weapons. Since a robust U.S. military presence in Pakistan is untenable for the government in Islamabad, however, tens of thousands of U.S. troops are likely to remain parked next door in Afghanistan for some time.

Perhaps bin Laden foresaw some of these outcomes when he launched his 9/11 operation from Taliban-secured bases in Afghanistan. Since nations targeted by terrorist groups routinely abandon some of their cherished principles, he may also have foreseen something along the lines of Abu Ghraib, "black sites," extraordinary rendition and even the prison at Guantanamo Bay. But in these and many other developments, bin Laden needed our unwitting collaboration, and we have provided it -- more than $1 trillion spent on two wars, more than 5,000 of our troops killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans dead. Our military is so overstretched that defense contracting -- for everything from interrogation to security to the gathering of intelligence -- is one of our few growth industries.

We have raced to Afghanistan and Iraq, and more recently to Yemen and Somalia; we have created a swollen national security apparatus; and we are so absorbed in our own fury and so oblivious to our enemy's intentions that we inflate the building of an Islamic center in Lower Manhattan into a national debate and watch, helpless, while a minister in Florida outrages even our friends in the Islamic world by threatening to burn copies of the Koran.

If bin Laden did not foresee all this, then he quickly came to understand it. In a 2004 video message, he boasted about leading America on the path to self-destruction. "All we have to do is send two mujaheddin . . . to raise a small piece of cloth on which is written 'al-Qaeda' in order to make the generals race there, to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses."

Through the initial spending of a few hundred thousand dollars, training and then sacrificing 19 of his foot soldiers, bin Laden has watched his relatively tiny and all but anonymous organization of a few hundred zealots turn into the most recognized international franchise since McDonald's. Could any enemy of the United States have achieved more with less?

Could bin Laden, in his wildest imaginings, have hoped to provoke greater chaos? It is past time to reflect on what our enemy sought, and still seeks, to accomplish -- and how we have accommodated him.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #107 on: September 14, 2010, 01:34:28 AM »
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I still maintain that it's theocracy, not the  brand of religion, that's dangerous. Anne cites the abortion clinic bombers as a pretty good recent example of dangerous x-tians.  None-ya shows some clips of militant x-tian brainwashing.

Conversely, a long while back, GregFl showed some clips of Islamic Madrasah in the context of how similar they are to a day in Group.

The primary difference between a fundamentalist radical who bombs abortion clinics and fundamentalist radicals who blow themselves up in a holy war is that the x-tian fundamentalists, for the time being anyway, generally are indicted, tried and convicted of their crimes. That's because, so far, we haven't let them completely take over government again.


I think it is the brand of religion. You could put every Abortion Clinic act of violence and have it occur on a single day and it will not even come close to a normal everyday occurrence in a Muslim nation against those that are hated.

The Mosque at Ground Zero will probably happen. This nation of majority Christians will allow it to happen.

And thank god for them allowing an Islamic community center. This whole hallowed ground argument is a false flag from the very beginning. If it was so damn hallowed they wouldn't allow a titty bar on the same block. If it was so hallowed there wouldn't be developers fighting over it like a diseased piece of meat.  

America, and the political manipulators of the truth no matter allegiance they hold, need to grow the hell up.


This boy here is my hero on this day, you go kid.

I wish we had more like him around.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/12/ska ... ing-quran/
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« Reply #108 on: September 14, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
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I still maintain that it's theocracy, not the  brand of religion, that's dangerous. Anne cites the abortion clinic bombers as a pretty good recent example of dangerous x-tians.  None-ya shows some clips of militant x-tian brainwashing.

Conversely, a long while back, GregFl showed some clips of Islamic Madrasah in the context of how similar they are to a day in Group.

The primary difference between a fundamentalist radical who bombs abortion clinics and fundamentalist radicals who blow themselves up in a holy war is that the x-tian fundamentalists, for the time being anyway, generally are indicted, tried and convicted of their crimes. That's because, so far, we haven't let them completely take over government again.


I think it is the brand of religion. You could put every Abortion Clinic act of violence and have it occur on a single day and it will not even come close to a normal everyday occurrence in a Muslim nation against those that are hated.

The Mosque at Ground Zero will probably happen. This nation of majority Christians will allow it to happen.

And thank god for them allowing an Islamic community center. This whole hallowed ground argument is a false flag from the very beginning. If it was so damn hallowed they wouldn't allow a titty bar on the same block. If it was so hallowed there wouldn't be developers fighting over it like a diseased piece of meat.  

America, and the political manipulators of the truth no matter allegiance they hold, need to grow the hell up.


This boy here is my hero on this day, you go kid.

I wish we had more like him around.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/12/ska ... ing-quran/


I would not call that individual a hero.

While I am not for burning the Koran, saving one is not a heroic act.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #109 on: September 14, 2010, 08:24:16 PM »
Definition of hero varies from person to person, I call the kid a hero because what he did took an incredible set of balls. The x-tian terror group planning on burning the bible is well known for their ant-christ like abusive tactics against members of their own community.
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« Reply #110 on: September 15, 2010, 02:31:10 AM »
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but they'll probably just manipulate us into doing it for them.

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Welcome folks to the land of the free...we let everyone in now complain it is not going the way we want...well of course it's not. Unfortunately, Muslims have rights just like the Jews just like the Catholics just like the Christians...but hey we still are in the land of the free with cultural diversity. When the United States full blows up maybe then we should of taken more procautions on who we let in to begin with...instead of bitching about the border police doing their jobs....maybe we need to watch cargo planes instead. Let's just hand out more green cards to the ole terrorists. No wonder they target us, our government is frucking stupid...but hey we all are politically correct and no one is being offended. Fuck that offend someone and make them go the fuck back to their countries. The silly religious wars need to stay the hell out of America and remain where they began. Not my fight, hell not the fight of many actually so why are we getting blown up.....oil. And don't worry we can all stop by the Catholic church and pay for penance on our way out..we will get a pass into heaven anyways. How many scholorships do we award newly founded citizens????Fuck that our citizen here first should get first crack at it. Anyways, the land is fairly bought and sold not much anyone can do now but sit back and watch the Muslims spit in our faces...but this is the land of the free with cultural diversity..Amen for that....yeah ok.  :beat:  :beat:
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #111 on: September 15, 2010, 11:47:06 AM »
Paper to Readers: Sorry for Portraying Muslims as Human

http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/09/1 ... -as-human/

First, it was offensive and insensitive to build an Islamic center two blocks away from Ground Zero. Now it's offensive and insensitive to publish photos of American Muslims peacefully praying, on or around 9/11.

The Portland Press Herald has apologized to its readers for publishing images of Muslims celebrating the end of Ramadan, which this year coincided with the 9/11 anniversary. Among the outrageous statements that the accompanying article made: that Portland-era Muslims met to mark the end of the month-long holy fast, that they made a traditional call for charity, and that children played soccer.

Noting that thousands of local Muslims marked a holy day peacefully near the anniversary of a day when a few Muslims committed a mass murder (whose victims included other Muslims) was apparently beyond the pale. The paper's editor and publisher wrote: "We erred by at least not offering balance to the story and its prominent position on the front page."

Here's where we are in America, 2010: There is now one group of Americans whose peaceful religious observance cannot be noted by decent people, unless it is "balanced" by the mention of a vile crime committed in 2001 by people, with a perverted idea of the same religion, from the other side of the world.

This is a depressing statement about the state of dialogue in America. Nine years after 9/11, there is now a widespread belief that, for one religious group of law-abiding Americans, the boundaries of acceptable behavior are narrower than for everyone else. Yes, you have the right to worship. But it would be decent of you to do it somewhere else. Or on another day. Or in such a way that the rest of us don't have to know about it. So now we have a newspaper kowtowing to a national freakout, apologizing for the most innocuous kind of soft feature, because acknowledging that there are decent Muslims in America is offensive. (From the comments on the article: "I don't want to here [sic] how caring the Muslim religion is on 9/11." But hey: it's only for a few days a year!)

But it's equally depressing for the state of journalism. This is an extreme instance, but a too-common, craven attitude: if anything you do offends a lot of readers—whatever their reasons, regardless of the merit of the coverage—it is a mistake. If enough people make a loud enough stink—well, it was your job to make sure that never happened. For any reason. This business is in bad enough shape. Just fix it. Make it go away. Apologize.

If there's one silver lining, it's that the apology drew its own storm of complaints. From one: "These people and their faith had nothing whatsoever to do with the horrific attack of nine years ago. Our state needs to be more tolerant, not less. Your apology implies that it is in some way OK to connect everyday Muslims and the attackers. I abhor such thinking."

Well said. The paper owed no one an apology. But it does now.
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« Reply #112 on: September 15, 2010, 03:22:20 PM »
It is highly offensive there is no doubt in that. We are all getting a huge slap in the face. But what actually can be done to stop it? We as Americans have allowed things of this magnitude to even be possible. Unfortunately, I can only hope and pray someone with any type of government authority will do the right thing. But as we have fully learned in the past our government has not ever done the right thing.

In building this they are only going to create more hardship and bad feeling, it might just spark off a major ordeal...but that is what the government wants...they want something drastic to happen. The enjoy the conflicts and enjoy blood shed..It keeps the population control in check, and hey they might be rid of some terrorists too.

Personally, I think Muslems are full of shit, especially the getting 100 virgins when they die, because look around you the only virgins are under 8 years old in the world left. But hey, if they want to lie to themselves all this time so be it. Their views are angry views and judgemental. No man has a right to judge anyone, that's God's job. Who are they to decide who is going to hell and burn and who gets the virgins. Maybe God wants one of us to have the last of the last of virgins. Guess we will never fully know, who gets the virgins. When anger fuels a fight, it generally will lose eventually, but thanks to the Good Ole USA, the land of oppertunity, we have fully given them so much power and money stock piled, they will eventually run ramped. We invited then to do this fully, and have noone to blame but our lovely politicans.


Once this thing is built, I bet we will see a lot of blood shed, you cannot think people are going to tolerate this happening. Not after 9-11, and the impact it has given to everyone in the United States. Some one will come unglued and destroy it watch, we will be watching the news and the thing will go up in smoke. Then we will hear the muslims cry OMFG what did they do to us, and then they will retailate. The Muslins want a fight, they are fighters and love to create havoc where ever they go...now it is in our land...great. The some big time Muslim will tell the other Muslims to kill us all off in the name of the Allah and the Koran. Seriously who cannot see the ooutcome of this ooutrageous action. They want to kick our asses for what we destroyed in Iraq. Their people died and oh my they will get justice somehow...Hell I am moving to Cananda maybe they will be safe for few more years. How the hell did noone see this happening, they want us to react, then they get their little Holy War here...God who does not see this little trap. People cannot be that thick.
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« Reply #113 on: September 15, 2010, 07:13:31 PM »
Portland Post Herald is one newspaper I'll never spend a single cent on for as long as I live. What a huge lack of journalistic integrity on their9 part. How does something completely unrelated to the peaceful end of Ramadan worship in Portland relate to anything with 9r/11 in New York City? The story was written to report an event in Portland that portrays Muslim Americans in a peaceful manner, not to compare them to the lunatics who perpetrated 9/11.

More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.
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« Reply #114 on: September 15, 2010, 11:55:32 PM »
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Portland Post Herald is one newspaper I'll never spend a single cent on for as long as I live. What a huge lack of journalistic integrity on their9 part. How does something completely unrelated to the peaceful end of Ramadan worship in Portland relate to anything with 9r/11 in New York City? The story was written to report an event in Portland that portrays Muslim Americans in a peaceful manner, not to compare them to the lunatics who perpetrated 9/11.

More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.
Fully agreed, which that even surprises me, but you are right.....the problem is we allowed ourselves to get lazy and our kids go uneducated. We tolerated the youth to become literally wastes. Americans had it easy for years and we got to comfortable in our surroundings. And I am going to enjoy my Captain Crunch until we get warfare on our front lawns...however Americans basically allowed for these radicals to slip in the front door, thanks to the good ole homeland security. Hell we should of just handed them the tools and the cash without wasting this time and effort. They are going to screw us with our own American money. Generally, when people get screwed up the rear they are offered KY, not us we are going to take it hard. Wonder if we will be given the right to grab our ankles first.

It is easier for Americans to get the ostrich symdrome...then to actually look around them and gain wisdom of what is going on around them. But hey Mary Sue's nails look real good, and Bob can hit a perfect hole in one. And Chucky down the block is sling dope...Yes, the land of the free...
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« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2010, 11:27:02 AM »
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More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.


Sad, but true.  They're more inclined to listen to the likes of Rush (attention whore, $$ grubber), Glen (certifiable lunatic), Keith (attention whore, $$ grubber) and parrot what they're saying instead of actually educating themselves on a given subject.
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« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2010, 01:53:29 PM »
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More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.


Sad, but true.  They're more inclined to listen to the likes of Rush (attention whore, $$ grubber), Glen (certifiable lunatic), Keith (attention whore, $$ grubber) and parrot what they're saying instead of actually educating themselves on a given subject.
AMEN.....
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« Reply #117 on: September 16, 2010, 02:40:06 PM »
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More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.


Sad, but true.  They're more inclined to listen to the likes of Rush (attention whore, $$ grubber), Glen (certifiable lunatic), Keith (attention whore, $$ grubber) and parrot what they're saying instead of actually educating themselves on a given subject.
AMEN.....
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« Reply #118 on: September 16, 2010, 09:59:19 PM »
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More Christian racism and xenophobia and yet another example why America is reducing itself to the WAN status at an increasingly rapid clip. Sad truth is, most Americans these days are so pig ignorant they can barely read the ingredients label on the Captain Crunch box they are busy shoveling down their throats every morning. What a pathetic nation of losers we've become, utterly pathetic.


Sad, but true.  They're more inclined to listen to the likes of Rush (attention whore, $$ grubber), Glen (certifiable lunatic), Keith (attention whore, $$ grubber) and parrot what they're saying instead of actually educating themselves on a given subject.

Whole heartily agree, with both comments.  :cheers:
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« Reply #119 on: September 30, 2010, 08:07:56 PM »
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Ted Koppel: Nine years after 9/11, let's stop playing into bin Laden's hands
   


By Ted Koppel
Sunday, September 12, 2010

The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, succeeded far beyond anything Osama bin Laden could possibly have envisioned. This is not just because they resulted in nearly 3,000 deaths, nor only because they struck at the heart of American financial and military power. Those outcomes were only the bait; it would remain for the United States to spring the trap.

The goal of any organized terrorist attack is to goad a vastly more powerful enemy into an excessive response. And over the past nine years, the United States has blundered into the 9/11 snare with one overreaction after another. Bin Laden deserves to be the object of our hostility, national anguish and contempt, and he deserves to be taken seriously as a canny tactician. But much of what he has achieved we have done, and continue to do, to ourselves. Bin Laden does not deserve that we, even inadvertently, fulfill so many of his unimagined dreams.

It did not have to be this way. The Bush administration's initial response was just about right. The calibrated combination of CIA operatives, special forces and air power broke the Taliban in Afghanistan and sent bin Laden and the remnants of al-Qaeda scurrying across the border into Pakistan. The American reaction was quick, powerful and effective -- a clear warning to any organization contemplating another terrorist attack against the United States. This is the point at which President George W. Bush should have declared "mission accomplished," with the caveat that unspecified U.S. agencies and branches of the military would continue the hunt for al-Qaeda's leader. The world would have understood, and most Americans would probably have been satisfied.

But the insidious thing about terrorism is that there is no such thing as absolute security. Each incident provokes the contemplation of something worse to come. The Bush administration convinced itself that the minds that conspired to turn passenger jets into ballistic missiles might discover the means to arm such "missiles" with chemical, biological or nuclear payloads. This became the existential nightmare that led, in short order, to a progression of unsubstantiated assumptions: that Saddam Hussein had developed weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons; that there was a connection between the Iraqi leader and al-Qaeda.

Bin Laden had nothing to do with fostering these misconceptions. None of this had any real connection to 9/11. There was no group known as "al-Qaeda in Iraq" at that time. But the political climate of the moment overcame whatever flaccid opposition there was to invading Iraq, and the United States marched into a second theater of war, one that would prove far more intractable and painful and draining than its supporters had envisioned.

While President Obama has recently declared America's combat role in Iraq over, he glossed over the likelihood that tens of thousands of U.S. troops will have to remain there, possibly for several years to come, because Iraq lacks the military capability to protect itself against external (read: Iranian) aggression. The ultimate irony is that Hussein, to keep his neighbors in check, allowed them and the rest of the world to believe that he might have weapons of mass destruction. He thereby brought about his own destruction, as well as the need now for U.S. forces to fill the void that he and his menacing presence once provided.

As for the 100,000 U.S. troops in or headed for Afghanistan, many of them will be there for years to come, too -- not because of America's commitment to a functioning democracy there; even less because of what would happen to Afghan girls and women if the Taliban were to regain control. The reason is nuclear weapons. Pakistan has an arsenal of 60 to 100 nuclear warheads. Were any of those to fall into the hands of al-Qaeda's fundamentalist allies in Pakistan, there is no telling what the consequences might be.

Again, this dilemma is partly of our own making. America's war on terrorism is widely perceived throughout Pakistan as a war on Islam. A muscular Islamic fundamentalism is gaining ground there and threatening the stability of the government, upon which we depend to guarantee the security of those nuclear weapons. Since a robust U.S. military presence in Pakistan is untenable for the government in Islamabad, however, tens of thousands of U.S. troops are likely to remain parked next door in Afghanistan for some time.

Perhaps bin Laden foresaw some of these outcomes when he launched his 9/11 operation from Taliban-secured bases in Afghanistan. Since nations targeted by terrorist groups routinely abandon some of their cherished principles, he may also have foreseen something along the lines of Abu Ghraib, "black sites," extraordinary rendition and even the prison at Guantanamo Bay. But in these and many other developments, bin Laden needed our unwitting collaboration, and we have provided it -- more than $1 trillion spent on two wars, more than 5,000 of our troops killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans dead. Our military is so overstretched that defense contracting -- for everything from interrogation to security to the gathering of intelligence -- is one of our few growth industries.

We have raced to Afghanistan and Iraq, and more recently to Yemen and Somalia; we have created a swollen national security apparatus; and we are so absorbed in our own fury and so oblivious to our enemy's intentions that we inflate the building of an Islamic center in Lower Manhattan into a national debate and watch, helpless, while a minister in Florida outrages even our friends in the Islamic world by threatening to burn copies of the Koran.

If bin Laden did not foresee all this, then he quickly came to understand it. In a 2004 video message, he boasted about leading America on the path to self-destruction. "All we have to do is send two mujaheddin . . . to raise a small piece of cloth on which is written 'al-Qaeda' in order to make the generals race there, to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses."

Through the initial spending of a few hundred thousand dollars, training and then sacrificing 19 of his foot soldiers, bin Laden has watched his relatively tiny and all but anonymous organization of a few hundred zealots turn into the most recognized international franchise since McDonald's. Could any enemy of the United States have achieved more with less?

Could bin Laden, in his wildest imaginings, have hoped to provoke greater chaos? It is past time to reflect on what our enemy sought, and still seeks, to accomplish -- and how we have accommodated him.



I wonder what Teddy would have us do?

He's kind of hinting that after Pearl Harbor we were doing what the enemy wanted us to do. It was very self-destructive of us. Come to think of it, it did not work out that well for the Japanese either.

It is "past time" we understand the enemy...
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