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Behrens Work is Junk
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2011, 11:47:23 AM »
Not to mention no reputable outlet would publish it.  That's why it's "self-published" on a doc host site.  If it isn't peer reviewed and published in a reputable scientific journal, it's worthless.  Hence it only appears on Aspen marketing sites and a doc host site where anyone can upload anything.  It's junk.
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2011, 11:55:41 AM »
Here is another interesting tidbit:

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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #107 on: January 19, 2011, 12:04:06 PM »
Please stay on topic.  You can start another thread to profess your love of SCRIBD.
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2011, 12:04:27 PM »
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The “typical” client in the programs is a white, upper-middle to upper-class,
16 year old male or female with prior treatment failures, who is functioning below average
academically and has multiple psycho-social problems. The most common problems treated are
disruptive behavior, substance use, and mood disorders. Most adolescents do not have a legal
record.


Wow....so kids that truly needed help, not quack "therapy", didn't fare so well. Hmmmm. And why send a kid away if they're not in real trouble? Why were these kids that "had lower levels of psycho-social symptoms at admission (adolescent report), the absence of a mood disorder," even there in the first place? Parents....do your damn job and quit farming it out to strangers!
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2011, 12:07:13 PM »
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The kids who are most likely to succeed would be those who had the lower levels of problems (which makes sense).


Then why are they there in the first place?  Why are parents outsourcing their jobs?
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Re: Behrens Work is Junk
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2011, 12:11:35 PM »
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Not to mention no reputable outlet would publish it.  That's why it's "self-published" on a doc host site.  If it isn't peer reviewed and published in a reputable scientific journal, it's worthless.  Hence it only appears on Aspen marketing sites and a doc host site where anyone can upload anything.  It's junk.

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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #111 on: January 19, 2011, 12:14:20 PM »
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The kids who are most likely to succeed would be those who had the lower levels of problems (which makes sense).


Then why are they there in the first place?  Why are parents outsourcing their jobs?

I didnt say non-problems.  The kids with he lower level of problems seemed to benefit the most form their stay at a TBS.  Parents sometimes have to outsource their jobs, Anne, if they cannot be solved in the home setting.  Parents outsource education where they teach kids to read, sex education etc. and parents send their kids to hospitals for all types of medical issues.



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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #112 on: January 19, 2011, 12:28:19 PM »
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The kids who are most likely to succeed would be those who had the lower levels of problems (which makes sense).


Then why are they there in the first place?  Why are parents outsourcing their jobs?

Parents sometimes have to outsource their jobs, Anne, if they cannot be solved in the home setting.


Then they're doing a piss-poor, shitty job as parents and the kids have to suffer for that.  Unconscionable.
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2011, 02:40:28 PM »
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The kids who are most likely to succeed would be those who had the lower levels of problems (which makes sense).


Then why are they there in the first place?  Why are parents outsourcing their jobs?

Parents sometimes have to outsource their jobs, Anne, if they cannot be solved in the home setting.


Then they're doing a piss-poor, shitty job as parents and the kids have to suffer for that.  Unconscionable.

Depends on your perspective, Anne, some people would think that the parents who do not get outside help for their child are doing a piss-poor job and they are making their kids suffer.



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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2011, 02:41:44 PM »
I'm going to have to agree with Anne Bonney on this one.
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2011, 02:41:44 PM »
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The kids who are most likely to succeed would be those who had the lower levels of problems (which makes sense).


Then why are they there in the first place?  Why are parents outsourcing their jobs?

Parents sometimes have to outsource their jobs, Anne, if they cannot be solved in the home setting.


Then they're doing a piss-poor, shitty job as parents and the kids have to suffer for that.  Unconscionable.

Depends on your perspective, Anne, some people would think that the parents who do not get outside help for their child are doing a piss-poor job and they are making their kids suffer.

The kids wouldn't be suffering if their parents did their jobs in the first place.
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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2011, 02:47:08 PM »
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The kids wouldn't be suffering if their parents did their jobs in the first place.

I disagree, sometimes kids do not respond well to local services.  I think the parents would be negligent if they just gave up on them and said "Oh Well local service didnt work lets hope for the best".  There are many parents who care enough for their children to look outside their local areas for a solution until they find one.  Not all parents give up.



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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2011, 02:51:20 PM »
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The kids wouldn't be suffering if their parents did their jobs in the first place.

I disagree, sometimes kids do not respond well to local services.


But they do respond to responsible parenting.  Which was my original point, which you ignored.  Shocking!  ::)
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« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2011, 02:55:29 PM »
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The kids wouldn't be suffering if their parents did their jobs in the first place.

I disagree, sometimes kids do not respond well to local services.


But they do respond to responsible parenting.  Which was my original point, which you ignored.  Shocking!  ::)

Not all kids do, Anne, some kids need help outside the home and others need help outside the scope of local services.  



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Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2011, 02:58:27 PM »
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The kids wouldn't be suffering if their parents did their jobs in the first place.

I disagree, sometimes kids do not respond well to local services.


But they do respond to responsible parenting.  Which was my original point, which you ignored.  Shocking!  ::)

Not all kids do, Anne, some kids need help outside the home and others need help outside the scope of local services.  

And those are the ones who need TRUE help.....not quackery from pseudo-"scientists" or pseudo-"therapists".
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