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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Whooter:
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Still no comment on phase two? How did these kids do one year out I wonder? Aspen has had the data since 2007. Why didn't they release it? Aren't they interested in the scientific validity of this study? Or just marketing?
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I dont think any of us know why they have not completed phase II. Maybe because it was disappointing, maybe they are still working on it, maybe they are trying to leverage a specific time to release the data for a marketing strategy to increase sales, Maybe waiting to get a slot in the next Annual APA convention to kick it off... etc.
We will just have to wait and see.
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Troll Control:
Behrens said it was complete in 2007. Where the heck is it? They spit out phase one in a massive marketing campaign before the ink was dry. Phase two must have showed something pretty bad...
I guess they'd also have to expalin that these programs charged for abuse/shut down during the study or right after. It's hard to explain how you're helping kids by abusing them I suppose. But they can't deny the abuse, so I guess they just deep-six the study instead.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Behrens said it was complete in 2007. Where the heck is it? They spit out phase one in a massive marketing campaign before the ink was dry. Phase two must have showed something pretty bad...
I guess they'd also have to expalin that these programs charged for abuse/shut down during the study or right after. It's hard to explain how you're helping kids by abusing them I suppose. But they can't deny the abuse, so I guess they just deep-six the study instead.
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No you are wrong, DJ, the abuse does not have to be part of the extended study. They would be looking at how the kids did "After" they left the program. The boundary conditions and scope of the study would not touch upon any abuse that occurs (unless it occurred at home and was part of the survey).
Do you see what I mean? If there was abuse to be reported that would have came in phase one while the kids where still under the care of the program.
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Troll Control:
They would have to name the programs from whence the data were derived. It would be embarassing for them because several programs were charged with abuse, killed kids and/or were shut down for abuse and neglect. Then they'd have to explain those facts and how abusing these kids was "successful."
This is one reason why phase two will never be released. I think we all get that by now. It was complete three years ago. It also probably doesn't show any effectiveness either. So they don't put it out there.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---They would have to name the programs from whence the data were derived. It would be embarassing for them because several programs were charged with abuse, killed kids and/or were shut down for abuse and neglect. Then they'd have to explain those facts and how abusing these kids was "successful."
This is one reason why phase two will never be released. I think we all get that by now. It was complete three years ago. It also probably doesn't show any effectiveness either. So they don't put it out there.
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I disagree, the scope of the Phase II study would only include how the kids fared at home. It wouldn't include their time in the program at all.
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