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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Dysfunction Junction:
Lols. "Accepted by the APA." Source? Documentation? Behrens PAID the APA to be a presenter (this is how you get the right to present at an APA conference - you pay) and the APA specifically states in its presentation policy that it does not endorse any presenters nor take positions on their presentations. Another whopper from a huge liar. Already debunked this fallacy several times.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Lols. "Accepted by the APA." Source? Documentation? Behrens PAID the APA to be a presenter (this is how you get the right to present at an APA conference - you pay) and the APA specifically states in its presentation policy that it does not endorse any presenters nor take positions on their presentations. Another whopper from a huge liar. Already debunked this fallacy several times.
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lol
Report of Findings from a Multi-Center Study of Youth Outcomes in Private Residential Treatment
Ellen Behrens, Ph.D.
Kristin Satterfield, B.S.
Canyon Research & Consulting, Inc.
Salt Lake City, UT
(801) 205-2330
Ellen@canyonrc.com
Presented at the 114th Annual Convention of the American Psychological Association
at New Orleans, Louisiana, August, 2006
August 12, Saturday, 2:00-2:50 PM
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Gonzotherapy:
This is so ridiculous. Right at the bottom of this "study" it says that Aspen Education paid for it. Why would Aspen pay to have anything other than a promotional study done?
And I find it very interesting that all results are based on behavior upon entrance and discharge of the program. Not one word about a year down the road or farther. Of course the majority of kids are going to change their behavior and are going to follow the rules in the program, the alternative is to be horribly abused. This Doctor may have her skewed research bought, but at least she isn't a flat out liar.
This study is a complete croc of shit, and this Dr. ought to be ashamed of herself.
Whooter, seriously. Is this the best you can come up with? A study that Aspen itself paid for?
Name one company that pays for research that is detrimental to that companies existence.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Gonzotherapy" ---This is so ridiculous. Right at the bottom of this "study" it says that Aspen Education paid for it. Why would Aspen pay to have anything other than a promotional study done?
And I find it very interesting that all results are based on behavior upon entrance and discharge of the program. Not one word about a year down the road or farther. Of course the majority of kids are going to change their behavior and are going to follow the rules in the program, the alternative is to be horribly abused. This Doctor may have her skewed research bought, but at least she isn't a flat out liar.
This study is a complete croc of shit, and this Dr. ought to be ashamed of herself.
Whooter, seriously. Is this the best you can come up with? A study that Aspen itself paid for?
Name one company that pays for research that is detrimental to that companies existence.
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Who else is going to pay for it? Who would do it for free? They hired WWIB which is a review board which is there to oversee the study and determine that there is no conflict of interest before they approve the study.
Look, Gonzo, if this doesnt live up to your expectations then toss it aside. You are not going to convince the American Psychiatric association by posting your dismay here on fornits. Do you really think anyone on fornits is going to accept a positive outcome study? lol
Think about it.
Everyone here (including yourself) knows this is a solid study, independent, with third party oversight and was presented at the annual meeting of the APA. I fully understand that no one here on fornits will come out and say it. I have been here long enough to know that. But people realize that not all of these 1,000 people from around the country can be lying. But to be accepted here on fornits you need to keep in lock step and keep pounding your fist and saying: "The study is a fake!! It cant possibly be true" lol
We are looking at a study that shows these programs to be up to 85% effective up to a year after graduation. This is consistent with some of the smaller internal studies which ranged from 65 to 90%.
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Gonzotherapy:
I said nothing about it being fake. In fact I clearly said she did not flat out lie. The study is skewed, it does not address the long lasting effects of the abuse in the programs. It says on discharge kids have better behavior than admittance.
So if I take a kid who throws tantrums and lock him in a closet, and every time he makes a noise I pull him out and beat him with a stick. After a few weeks of this that kid never makes another noise again and never throws another tantrum again, than his treatment is ok and beneficial? I could do a study with a hundred kids and I gaurantee you with these methods their behavior would change. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it an ok way to treat someone.
And I restate my previous question, when has any company ever in the history of time paid for something that was detrimental to itself? The only study a company would pay for is one that profits that company.
If you can find one instance of a company that paid for a study that caused said company to go out of business, I will rethink my position.
Until then, stop being stupid. Or at least make an effort. :ftard:
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