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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Troll Control:
ASR, part of the study, was also charged by the state of MA with abusing kids. MBA was shut down. Kids were abused and died in other programs in the study. All it says is that abused kids are likely to self-report improvement in order to escape the program and the abuse. It's called "sample bias" and this study is rife with it, and the study itself calls out its own bias.
The main conclusion of the study is that abusing kids is effective in making them say they are well to make it stop. No control group, no follow up, no peer review, no oversight of program b-mod procedures, nothing.
These kids could be made to self report improvement just by beating them daily until they said what Whooter wanted them to. He'd then claim "success" without discussing his methods, like this garbage study does.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---ASR, part of the study, was also charged by the state of MA with abusing kids. MBA was shut down. Kids were abused and died in other programs in the study. All it says is that abused kids are likely to self-report improvement in order to escape the program and the abuse. It's called "sample bias" and this study is rife with it, and the study itself calls out its own bias.
The main conclusion of the study is that abusing kids is effective in making them say they are well to make it stop. No control group, no follow up, no peer review, no oversight of program b-mod procedures, nothing.
These kids could be made to self report improvement just by beating them daily until they said what Whooter wanted them to. He'd then claim "success" without discussing his methods, like this garbage study does.
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Hmmm. this is really getting to you. Can you show us where this was concluded in the study? lol
All this time you have been hammering the table asking for an independent Study..... now we have an independent Study with third party oversight which has been presented to the professional community and DJ is ready to burst a vein in his neck.
Oh no! We cant accept this study.. uhmm I didnt read it in my journal... yup thats it!! I reject the study... its garbage!! lol Oh wait phase II isnt done yet so we can reject phase I !!!
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Troll Control:
So you're not arguing the topic of the thread I see. These programs that were part of the study have maimed, killed and abused kids and the program itself that Aspen uses is intrinsically abusive. Why didn't the researcher discuss the methods of the programs and instead just take a survey? Because it's a marketing whitepaper that cannot withstand scientific rigor, which is why it has never been reviewed or published. A real study would have examined the methods and described how they effected change in the subjects.
I think Whooter is the one "popping a vein" trying to defend it. Punching holes in it is actually easy and not stressful in the least.
I would like to see this thread stay on topic, though. The topic is "Programs in Behrens Study Charged with Abuse." Thanks.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---So you're not arguing the topic of the thread I see. These programs that were part of the study have maimed, killed and abused kids and the program itself that Aspen uses is intrinsically abusive. Why didn't the researcher discuss the methods of the programs and instead just take a survey? Because it's a marketing whitepaper that cannot withstand scientific rigor, which is why it has never been reviewed or published. A real study would have examined the methods and described how they effected change in the subjects.
I think Whooter is the one "popping a vein" trying to defend it. Punching holes in it is actually easy and not stressful in the least.
I would like to see this thread stay on topic, though. The topic is "Programs in Behrens Study Charged with Abuse." Thanks.
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DJ's fantasy feedback:
Oh No!!! DJ says the study is now just a marketing white-paper which cannot withstand scientific rigor.
Oh No!!! DJ says: “A real study(lol) would have examined the methods and described how they effected change in the subjects.”
So this independent study which was overseen by a third party and presented at the annual APA convention was not a real study according to DJ. Maybe the study only exists in the minds of others? Hmmmm. Maybe people have been brainwashed to believe there is a study but none has really been done! Lol.
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Troll Control:
Soooo...no argument that the programs "studied" abused, neglected, maimed and killed kids. The avoidance of this fact speaks volumes from Aspen's marketer.
Let's stay on topic. No need to spam both threads with repetive drivel. Keep spamming the other thread with "study spam" and this thread will be for discussing the inevitable facts that the programs studied are/were rife with systemic abuse.
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