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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Troll Control:
The marketing campaign is polished, it just lies about the study results.
And the study clearly states that the length of stay has no effect on the outcome. The obvious conclusion is if the results are the same, keep the stay as short as possible and the cost as low as possible. It's a stunning find by Behrens that there's no diference in outcome for kids who left early against program advice and kids who stayed for the full program. Kinda blows holes in the whole "kids who don't finish the program fail" theory, huh? You've said that many times.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---The marketing campaign is polished, it just lies about the study results.
And the study clearly states that the length of stay has no effect on the outcome. The obvious conclusion is if the results are the same, keep the stay as short as possible and the cost as low as possible. It's a stunning find by Behrens that there's no diference in outcome for kids who left early against program advice and kids who stayed for the full program. Kinda blows holes in the whole "kids who don't finish the program fail" theory, huh? You've said that many times.
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I see it a little differently. The kids who leave early (say 6 months) may report the same results as the kids who stay the entire time. This is due to that the majority of the change has occurred by then and the child appears to be better. The time in the final phase of the programs is used to solidify the childs changes and prepare the child for the transition home.
Great discussion, DJ, I found this finding interesting myself. I would like to see the kids fill these out at 3 month intervals to see if there is any variance from the onset to the 3 month mark and then again from the 6 month mark to the end of the program (just purely from a reporting perspective to see how the kids feel they are benefiting and at what time along the time-line they wee this effect).
However, in this case, those who left against program advice left, on average, during
the last stage of treatment. Clinical staff in private residential care often devote the last few
weeks or months to consolidation of gains and transfer of skills. In essence, this last phase is
typically designed to solidify change. Parents and adolescents who discharge against program
advice during this last phase may not appreciate the need for continued care because problems
appear resolved.
p.14
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Troll Control:
You miss the point. A properly designed research project would have answered these questions by use of proper methods including a contol group and a follow up. You are just posting the researcher's guesses as to why kids who left early had the same results as kids who finished the program. You toss out "6 months" but that isn't quantified in the work. Only kids who "left early." This could mean as little as one day.
So what we're left with is a project with deeply flawed methodology, strong bias in sampling and reporting, and conclusions that are merely guesses which are unsupported by any data.
Not to mention the very same programs studied have been charged with abuse and neglect, killed children and were shut down by state authorities for systemic abuse. That is a fact. The researcher is left guessing whether or not abusive methods help kids. On its face it's a non-starter.
Anne Bonney:
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I see it a little differently.
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Well, of course you do. You're one of he marks that buys into the bullshit.
--- Quote --- The kids who leave early (say 6 months) may report the same results as the kids who stay the entire time. This is due to that the majority of the change has occurred by then and the child appears to be better. The time in the final phase of the programs is used to solidify the childs changes and prepare the child for the transition home.
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That's pretty much what they told us (and our parents) in Straight, just dressed up a little prettier. Virgil MIller Newton was goddamned proud of his sadistic acts. Now, since the media (and yes, Fornits) has picked up on this, they've just repackaged it (this is where your marketing skills come in quite handy, Who) and sell the same old snake-oil.
--- Quote ---Great discussion, DJ, I found this finding interesting myself. I would like to see the kids fill these out at 3 month intervals to see if there is any variance from the onset to the 3 month mark and then again from the 6 month mark to the end of the program (just purely from a reporting perspective to see how the kids feel they are benefiting and at what time along the time-line they wee this effect).
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How 'bout a 5 - 10 year follow-up to see how the kids feel about what happened to them back then. We tend to see things through different eyes as an adult and are able to recognize abuse when we see it instead of just trusting our parents or worse yet, "trust the process". Edited to add: That 5 - 10 year period is also when the PTSD tends to manifest itself. It takes a while for the brainwashing to clear out of your soul.
Troll Control:
I'd settle for seeing the results of the one-year follow up they already conducted but refused to make public. It stands to reason they didn't make it public because even a year out these kids were saying "the program was bullshit and I said what I needed to say to get out of there." That is a very, very typical response to the "program experience."
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