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Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
Whooter:
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Prove one thing I've lied about.
Just as you need to listen to all of us saying how abusive it is/was without assuming we're lying. There have been plenty of us who've had almost identical stories, coming out of different facilities because most of them use the same basic techniques that Straight did, although the programs now are much better at dressing it up for the marks....er, parents.
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I dont assume all the stories are lies, Anne. There are some that I dont believe, but most of them I believe. Where we differ is the thinking that a few stories here on fornits represent all the kids who attend programs. I showed you a 1,000 kids who told their story... did any lie? Maybe... Do people lie on fornits? Maybe. We dont know for sure. What we need to do is keep collecting stories and data and eventually the truth will rise to the top.
right now there are a 1,000 kids who had an opportunity to express how they felt and we should not try to silence their stories. It wouldnt be right.
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Anne Bonney:
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Prove one thing I've lied about.
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I lied my ass off for months, even years.
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Need I say more?
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This is one reason why people think you're such an asshole. You took what I said completely out of context. I lied to and about Straight for fear that I'd be sent back.
Just knock it off.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---right now there are a 1,000 kids who had an opportunity to express how they felt and we should not try to silence their stories. It wouldnt be right.
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I'm not trying to suppress them and I never said anything of the kind, so again....please stop putting words in my mouth or taking them out of context in your vain attempts to prove your point.....I'm simply questioning them because I knew I had to lie when I got out in order to avoid being sent back. I suspect these kids are doing the same with their "exit surveys". They're probably just as scared as I was.
Troll Control:
Actually, Anne, if you look at the study, Behrens says right in it that there is strong bias toward reporting improvement for that very reason - so the kids could leave. Whooter doesn't mention that part.
It doesn't take a genius to realize saying "I'm better now" will get a kid out of program faster than saying "This is bullshit."
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---right now there are a 1,000 kids who had an opportunity to express how they felt and we should not try to silence their stories. It wouldnt be right.
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I'm not trying to suppress them and I never said anything of the kind, so again....please stop putting words in my mouth or taking them out of context in your vain attempts to prove your point.....I'm simply questioning them because I knew I had to lie when I got out in order to avoid being sent back. I suspect these kids are doing the same with their "exit surveys". They're probably just as scared as I was.
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My daughter and all the kids were far from scared, I can tell you first hand. The program was a place where everyone could speak openly. If anything most of them would have feared going back to their old world and leaving their comfort zone.
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