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Re: ACLU letter to Obama
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2010, 12:55:15 AM »
I remember when W-Bush was running for re-election and one of the sayings I heard repeatedly was that "you don't change a horse mid-stream".  Does anyone remember that phrase? I heard it over and over again and I suppose it meant that since we were involved in 2 wars that we shouldn't change or president by voting in another clod.

I never thought it was a good analogy 'cause I thought it seemed like we were walking a horse out into the ocean instead of a stream....but whatever, it's not like we had a good choice anyway.

My point is..... I wonder if team Obama is going to use the same senseless catch phrase to try and get reelected. I don't think I'll ever vote again until Gitmo is closed.

Why do we have parties in politics? Do we really need them? The US is a democratic republic with a socialist/capitalist (mixed) economy. It's a great recipe if the people are well educated and have good representatives. That way, voting works.
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this WOULD be about the "jest" of it all...
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2010, 10:25:33 AM »
Quote from: "Stonewall"
Your quote... Ahh, War is bad? Is that the jest of it? Or, are you saying that parroting of political leaders is the way to go?
Oh, I think Ajax was being quite serious.

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That is the danger in posting quotes. Others have to wonder what you actually believe. It's so much easier to just put in your own words what you want to say.
Sometimes the quotes, and their historical context, say oh so much more.

This being completely aside from the fact that at least three (1, 2, 3) of your earliest posts consist of several screenfuls of quoted material.  ;)
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Re: ACLU letter to Obama
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2010, 12:17:39 PM »
Quote from: "wdtony"
I remember when W-Bush was running for re-election and one of the sayings I heard repeatedly was that "you don't change a horse mid-stream".  Does anyone remember that phrase? I heard it over and over again and I suppose it meant that since we were involved in 2 wars that we shouldn't change or president by voting in another clod.

I never thought it was a good analogy 'cause I thought it seemed like we were walking a horse out into the ocean instead of a stream....but whatever, it's not like we had a good choice anyway.

My point is..... I wonder if team Obama is going to use the same senseless catch phrase to try and get reelected. I don't think I'll ever vote again until Gitmo is closed.

Why do we have parties in politics? Do we really need them? The US is a democratic republic with a socialist/capitalist (mixed) economy. It's a great recipe if the people are well educated and have good representatives. That way, voting works.



The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democratic Republic.

The economic "recipe" has not really worked out too well, on many levels.

I'm not one for globalization.

GITMO is not a bad thing. We have always held prisoners during war. We have never charged every war-time prisoner that we have held. Holding them at GITMO or holding them at a military installation in the U.S. would not change anything. Legally, or in any other way. I would not think it a good idea to charge every captured enemy. We certainly would not want every captured U.S. soldier to be tried simply because he was fighting in a war somewhere.
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Re: ACLU letter to Obama
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2010, 01:16:18 AM »
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Quote from: "wdtony"
I remember when W-Bush was running for re-election and one of the sayings I heard repeatedly was that "you don't change a horse mid-stream".  Does anyone remember that phrase? I heard it over and over again and I suppose it meant that since we were involved in 2 wars that we shouldn't change or president by voting in another clod.

I never thought it was a good analogy 'cause I thought it seemed like we were walking a horse out into the ocean instead of a stream....but whatever, it's not like we had a good choice anyway.

My point is..... I wonder if team Obama is going to use the same senseless catch phrase to try and get reelected. I don't think I'll ever vote again until Gitmo is closed.

Why do we have parties in politics? Do we really need them? The US is a democratic republic with a socialist/capitalist (mixed) economy. It's a great recipe if the people are well educated and have good representatives. That way, voting works.



The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democratic Republic.

The economic "recipe" has not really worked out too well, on many levels.

I'm not one for globalization.

GITMO is not a bad thing. We have always held prisoners during war. We have never charged every war-time prisoner that we have held. Holding them at GITMO or holding them at a military installation in the U.S. would not change anything. Legally, or in any other way. I would not think it a good idea to charge every captured enemy. We certainly would not want every captured U.S. soldier to be tried simply because he was fighting in a war somewhere.

The US is both a Democratic Republic and a Constitutional Republic.

Democratic Republic — Republics where the people elect their representatives and may engage in some forms of popular referenda. Examples include the United States of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

I agree with you about globalization. I don't like the amount of trade we do (as a country) with other countries such as China.

Our economic "recipe" as you put it, could be a lot better...yes. But I like the idea of free markets under capitalism and governmentally regulated markets under socialism. Examples of problems: Oil companies not being reigned in by the government when they basically price fix and hurt the American economy (which drains money from being spent on every other service or product in the US), Energy companies that are essentially monopolies, a privatized health care system which is far too expensive due to greed. So I agree with you, this "recipe" has its problems and probably needs a little more socialism mixed in.

Gitmo: When the US tortures people (an amalgam of persons who might be terrorists, insurgents, enemy combatants, suspected spies, persons who may be completely innocent, persons of interest, persons who may have information, prisoners of war, et cetera) it is a wrong which must be made right. You focus on the so-called "bad guys" in Gitmo, I focus on what has been done to human beings in a torture camp.

A country that allows torture prisons to exist has no right to be defended by its people. Americans can be proud if we are better than other countries. To be better, we cannot torture.
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Re: ACLU letter to Obama
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2010, 07:29:27 AM »
Quote from: "wdtony"
Quote from: "Stonewall"
Quote from: "wdtony"
I remember when W-Bush was running for re-election and one of the sayings I heard repeatedly was that "you don't change a horse mid-stream".  Does anyone remember that phrase? I heard it over and over again and I suppose it meant that since we were involved in 2 wars that we shouldn't change or president by voting in another clod.

I never thought it was a good analogy 'cause I thought it seemed like we were walking a horse out into the ocean instead of a stream....but whatever, it's not like we had a good choice anyway.

My point is..... I wonder if team Obama is going to use the same senseless catch phrase to try and get reelected. I don't think I'll ever vote again until Gitmo is closed.

Why do we have parties in politics? Do we really need them? The US is a democratic republic with a socialist/capitalist (mixed) economy. It's a great recipe if the people are well educated and have good representatives. That way, voting works.



The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic. Not a Democratic Republic.

The economic "recipe" has not really worked out too well, on many levels.

I'm not one for globalization.

GITMO is not a bad thing. We have always held prisoners during war. We have never charged every war-time prisoner that we have held. Holding them at GITMO or holding them at a military installation in the U.S. would not change anything. Legally, or in any other way. I would not think it a good idea to charge every captured enemy. We certainly would not want every captured U.S. soldier to be tried simply because he was fighting in a war somewhere.

The US is both a Democratic Republic and a Constitutional Republic.

Democratic Republic — Republics where the people elect their representatives and may engage in some forms of popular referenda. Examples include the United States of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

I agree with you about globalization. I don't like the amount of trade we do (as a country) with other countries such as China.

Our economic "recipe" as you put it, could be a lot better...yes. But I like the idea of free markets under capitalism and governmentally regulated markets under socialism. Examples of problems: Oil companies not being reigned in by the government when they basically price fix and hurt the American economy (which drains money from being spent on every other service or product in the US), Energy companies that are essentially monopolies, a privatized health care system which is far too expensive due to greed. So I agree with you, this "recipe" has its problems and probably needs a little more socialism mixed in.

Gitmo: When the US tortures people (an amalgam of persons who might be terrorists, insurgents, enemy combatants, suspected spies, persons who may be completely innocent, persons of interest, persons who may have information, prisoners of war, et cetera) it is a wrong which must be made right. You focus on the so-called "bad guys" in Gitmo, I focus on what has been done to human beings in a torture camp.

A country that allows torture prisons to exist has no right to be defended by its people. Americans can be proud if we are better than other countries. To be better, we cannot torture.




I don't agree with torture.

"Free Markets" really don't exist unless we are trading with nations that are like the U.S.. As far as wages go and standard of living, etc..
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