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Group Therapy increasing Drug Risk?????/
Whooter:
We have come a long way. A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research. They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.
Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB). From WIRB’s documents:
The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).
WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2
at the bottom of page 2 it states:
Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---^^For a clinical trial, yes.^^ We all agree the Behrens study is not a clinical trial, or are you now trying to suggest it is? :rofl: I think you may not know the difference, although you've ranted and raved for years how no clinical trials are needed. But guess what? If no clinical trial is needed, neither is a continuing review! You sort of defeated your own rhetoric here, bud.
You must have missed the part on the WIRB page that says "unless the research is exempt," which self-report studies are. :beat: :feedtrolls:
What "samples" will you link us to next? Oreo cookies? Dryer sheets??
--- Quote from: "WIRB policy" ---WIRB will provide formal exemption determinations for research under 45 CFR 46.101(b) for a fee. WIRB will also provide exemption determinations from the FDA regulations (21 CFR Parts 50, 56, 312 and 812) for those exemptions allowed under 21 CFR 56.104. However, WIRB generally does not provide determinations on whether a given research study meets the definition of a “clinical investigation†or a “marketing application.â€
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No wonderudy hasn't been under continuing review...lols.
Don't look for WIRB to classify this as "marketing," which it is, but they do exempt self-report studies from continuing review, contrary to what dum-dum keeps saying. He's clinging to the meme "all approved studies must be reviewed!" which is an obvious fabrication from an ignorant person. :lala:
Hmmmmmmmm....45 CFR 46.101(b)....where have I seen that before?
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This issue is closed. Whooter is an ignoramus.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---^^For a clinical trial, yes.^^ We all agree the Behrens study is not a clinical trial, or are you now trying to suggest it is? :rofl: I think you may not know the difference, although you've ranted and raved for years how no clinical trials are needed. But guess what? If no clinical trial is needed, neither is a continuing review! You sort of defeated your own rhetoric here, bud.
You must have missed the part on the WIRB page that says "unless the research is exempt," which self-report studies are. :beat: :feedtrolls:
What "samples" will you link us to next? Oreo cookies? Dryer sheets??
--- Quote from: "WIRB policy" ---WIRB will provide formal exemption determinations for research under 45 CFR 46.101(b) for a fee. WIRB will also provide exemption determinations from the FDA regulations (21 CFR Parts 50, 56, 312 and 812) for those exemptions allowed under 21 CFR 56.104. However, WIRB generally does not provide determinations on whether a given research study meets the definition of a “clinical investigation†or a “marketing application.â€
--- End quote ---
No wonderudy hasn't been under continuing review...lols.
Don't look for WIRB to classify this as "marketing," which it is, but they do exempt self-report studies from continuing review, contrary to what dum-dum keeps saying. He's clinging to the meme "all approved studies must be reviewed!" which is an obvious fabrication from an ignorant person. :lala:
Hmmmmmmmm....45 CFR 46.101(b)....where have I seen that before?
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This issue is closed.
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Really, Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---^^For a clinical trial, yes.^^ We all agree the Behrens study is not a clinical trial, or are you now trying to suggest it is? :rofl: I think you may not know the difference, although you've ranted and raved for years how no clinical trials are needed. But guess what? If no clinical trial is needed, neither is a continuing review! You sort of defeated your own rhetoric here, bud.
You must have missed the part on the WIRB page that says "unless the research is exempt," which self-report studies are. :beat: :feedtrolls:
What "samples" will you link us to next? Oreo cookies? Dryer sheets??
--- Quote from: "WIRB policy" ---WIRB will provide formal exemption determinations for research under 45 CFR 46.101(b) for a fee. WIRB will also provide exemption determinations from the FDA regulations (21 CFR Parts 50, 56, 312 and 812) for those exemptions allowed under 21 CFR 56.104. However, WIRB generally does not provide determinations on whether a given research study meets the definition of a “clinical investigation†or a “marketing application.â€
--- End quote ---
No wonderudy hasn't been under continuing review...lols.
Don't look for WIRB to classify this as "marketing," which it is, but they do exempt self-report studies from continuing review, contrary to what dum-dum keeps saying. He's clinging to the meme "all approved studies must be reviewed!" which is an obvious fabrication from an ignorant person. :lala:
Hmmmmmmmm....45 CFR 46.101(b)....where have I seen that before?
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This issue is closed. Whooter is an ignoramus.
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We already established earlier that this is a study, DJ, and therfore doesnt fall under 45 CFR 46.101. Your name calling clearly shows that you are frustrated that my facts hold up and you are just reaching for straws. Calm down, read the study and the stipulation in the "Certification of approval" and WIRBS own processes and you will see the facts clearly.
Sorry, DJ, but this wasnt a highschool interview or a test... This was a "Residential treatment outcome study" involving a 1,000 kids and families. An exemption means it is non-standard. If you can prove they were exempt then be my guest.
But from your own post is shows the WIRBs' standard protocol after the "certificate of approval" is given is for WIRB to provide oversight. Unless you can provide proof otherwise then we have to go with the facts and procedures as they are presented.
I can provide another recap in a few minutes.
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Whooter:
We have come a long way. A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research. They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.
Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB). From WIRB’s documents:
The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).
WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2
at the bottom of page 2 it states:
Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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We can end it here if you like Unless DJ wants to produce evidence that they applied for and received an exemption. Then we can pick it up again.
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