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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Yeah, the only problem is that you have no idea what you're talking about. What you posted is for clinical trials, Whooter, and the forms you linked to were for clinical trials. Behrens did a self-report questionaire, which is vastly different. You's jus' a ig'nant wretch. You don't know no better. :rofl:
Here's the law:
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45 CFR 46 101(b)
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2. Surveys/Interviews; Standardized Education Tests; Observation of Public Behavior
Research involving the use of educational tests (cognitive, diagnostic, aptitude, achievement), survey procedures, interview procedures or observation of public behavior.
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So, despite Whooter's protestations, anybody familiar with human research knows that surveys (e.g. self-report forms) and interviews are exempt from review. It's "Research 101" and Whooter needs to register for the class.
Two days of embarassing yourself has thankfully come to an end, Whooter. Your "case" is coooked.
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DJ, nice try, but we are talking about studies here (your link doesnt cover that). We have demonstrated that this study attained a "Certificate of Approval" from an Independent Review Board. Their own documents indicate that they continue to review the study throughout.
Maybe you should make another phone call and let them know they dont have to provide oversight. But I am sure the APA feels happier knowing the study was overseen by a third party. People here on fornits feel that the studies should be overseen by a third party so why shouldnt they be?
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Troll Control:
LOLS! That's rich. Whooter, you may want to believe you're fooling some people, but you ain't fooling me.
It is a study. A self-report study. It's exempt from continuing review. I have worked with human research for many years including Medical Device Reporting and I know that you know that I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.
--- Quote from: "45 CFR 46 101 (b), Exemptions from Continuing Review" ---
Categories of Research Exempt from Committee Review
45 CFR 46 101(b)
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2. Surveys/Interviews; Standardized Education Tests; Observation of Public Behavior
Research involving the use of educational tests (cognitive, diagnostic, aptitude, achievement), survey procedures, interview procedures or observation of public behavior.
...
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---LOLS! That's rich. Whooter, you may want to believe you're fooling some people, but you ain't fooling me.
It is a study. A self-report study. It's exempt from continuing review. I have worked with human research for many years including Medical Device Reporting and I know that you know that I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.
--- Quote from: "45 CFR 46 101 (b), Exemptions from Continuing Review" ---
Categories of Research Exempt from Committee Review
45 CFR 46 101(b)
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2. Surveys/Interviews; Standardized Education Tests; Observation of Public Behavior
Research involving the use of educational tests (cognitive, diagnostic, aptitude, achievement), survey procedures, interview procedures or observation of public behavior.
...
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Look, DJ, with that whole lying thing about you calling WIRB and them saying they never heard of this study I dont think many here will take your word on anything. But tell you what, if you can get WIRB to buy into your definition then maybe they will save some money by not having to spend time overseeing educational tests.
But according to their own process definition once they give a certificate of approval for the STUDY (lol), they continue to oversee it until it is done. Its just they way they do it.
You cant go against what their own process says. I have shown you, via links, that they provided oversight.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---LOLS! That's rich. Whooter, you may want to believe you're fooling some people, but you ain't fooling me.
It is a study. A self-report study. It's exempt from continuing review. I have worked with human research for many years including Medical Device Reporting and I know that you know that I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.
--- Quote from: "45 CFR 46 101 (b), Exemptions from Continuing Review" ---
Categories of Research Exempt from Committee Review
45 CFR 46 101(b)
...
2. Surveys/Interviews; Standardized Education Tests; Observation of Public Behavior
Research involving the use of educational tests (cognitive, diagnostic, aptitude, achievement), survey procedures, interview procedures or observation of public behavior.
...
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It's clear what the law is and it's clear that Behrens had only a certificate of approval for the consent/assent forms, as stated in the study. The law states that data acquired by self-reporting is oversight exempt and nobody pays the oversight fees when they're not required. It's not my word. It's the law. You've proven yourself only to be an ignoramus and a buffoon.
This issue has been closed and repetitive trolling won't change the facts.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---LOLS! That's rich. Whooter, you may want to believe you're fooling some people, but you ain't fooling me.
It is a study. A self-report study. It's exempt from continuing review. I have worked with human research for many years including Medical Device Reporting and I know that you know that I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.
--- Quote from: "45 CFR 46 101 (b), Exemptions from Continuing Review" ---
Categories of Research Exempt from Committee Review
45 CFR 46 101(b)
...
2. Surveys/Interviews; Standardized Education Tests; Observation of Public Behavior
Research involving the use of educational tests (cognitive, diagnostic, aptitude, achievement), survey procedures, interview procedures or observation of public behavior.
...
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It's clear what the law is and it's clear that Behrens had only a certificate of approval for the consent/assent forms, as stated in the study. The law states that data acquired by self-reporting is oversight exempt and nobody pays the oversight fees when they're not required. It's not my word. It's the law. You've proven yourself only to be an ignoramus and a buffoon.
This issue has been closed and repetitive trolling won't change the facts.
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Your link doesn't even come close to describing "Residential Treatment Outcome Studies". Anyone who reads it knows it doesn't apply, DJ. Its a poor attempt to take the focus off the study and onto some educational Test requirements.
We need to stick with the definitions and facts as applied to the study by the Review Board. I think we should get back to the study at hand. I will update our status and see where we are at.
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