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Whooter:
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--- Quote ---I didn't need to call anyone to read it
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Do you normally call someone to help you with your reading? Maybe you should. Maybe then you could understand that the words "oversaw" and "audited" never appear anywhere in the Behrens paper. Nowhere. Zip. Nada. Ungatz.
You can always tell when Whooter is caught fibbing because he becomes the repetitive spam troll ; )
Let me reiterate for you, since you can't read too good:
I called the WIRB office today and asked, specifically, if they "audited" or "oversaw" the Behrens work. They said they did not. I did not ask if they approved the questionaire because that's written on the second page of the study, unlike some words you keep using, lols.
That also jives with Behrens herself, who makes no claim whatsoever that WIRB either "oversaw" or "audited" her work. Those words never appear anywhere in the work. They only appear in your claims which you cannot substantiate in any way, shape or form. Hence, you resort to name-calling and repetitive spam trolling.
On the second page of the study she says, quite clearly, that WIRB approved the questionaire and that's where her claim ends and yours begins.
My question is simple: why did you make up the claim that WIRB both "oversaw" and "audited" Behrens' work when she never even claimed that ridiculous marketing fantasy herself? Just answer the simple question and we can move on to your remaining bogus claims.
I'm patient and I can wait. But you've had a couple of days and a made couple dozen responses ranging from your fantasies about me in my underwear to calling me a liar, yet, inescapably, nothing you have said appears in that study. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with this, but you ought not to invent stories and you won't get burned over and over.
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Well you know if I were you I would be very pissed off. When you called WIRB the first time they told you they were not involved in the study at all. Now you tell use they approved the questionnaire, so they were in involved in the study. So you are claiming this research Company lied to you on the phone. Seems that you feel everyone is lying to you, DJ. If I were you before I believed this study I would call them back again and see if they did more than just approve a questionnaire. My goodness they spend all that time to just spend 10 minutes looking over a questionnaire. Just doesn't seem right to me somehow being presented in front of the APA conference and all.
Did they give you their cell phone number? Maybe you can get them at home and get some specifics. I think you can go right to the APA with this. I think you uncovered a nest of lies!! lol
Let me know if you want me to adjust your disclaimer.. we can do it over again if you like.
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Troll Control:
Sooo...to make a long story short...you can't find the words "oversaw" or "audited" anywhere in the study. That's all I was saying all along. You made it up and now you've eaten your words yet again.
If you ever find those words in the study, just holler. Until then, it's obvious you lied...again...and repeatedly.
By the way, I don't even read your posts and I don't think anyone else does either. If it is more than a one sentence reply with a link to the words "oversaw" and "audited" then you got nothing. No sense in even reading.
G'nite, sport. Better luck with your next marketing project.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---By the way, I don't even read your posts and I don't think anyone else does either.
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Oh, you hurt my feelings. You did a ton of responding for someone who doesn't read my posts. Is this another lie? Hmmmm. Well anyway ..
so lets recap.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---By the way, I don't even read your posts and I don't think anyone else does either.
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Oh, you hurt my feelings. You did a ton of responding for someone who doesn't read my posts. Is this another lie? Hmmmm. Well anyway ..
so lets recap.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Whooter, could you possibly quote exactly where it says that the Western Institutional Review Board "approved research and audited the study?"
Perhaps I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, but the only reference I was able to find in all 21 pages of this presentation ("Report of Findings from a Multi-Center Study of Youth Outcomes in Private Residential Treatment," by Ellen Behrens and Kristin Satterfield; 114th Annual APA Convention; August 12, 2006) as uploaded onto Scribd.com was ... the following emphasized sentence in the Methods section (page 3):
METHOD
Participants.
The sample consisted of 993 adolescents, admitted to one of 9 programs located in the Eastern and Western United States, between August 2003 and August 2005, who, along with their parents or guardians (hereafter referred to as “parents”) agreed to participate in the study and who completed measures at admission and/or discharge. The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
The contribution of each of the 9 residential programs to the sample was relatively equal and ranged from 9% to 16%. This sample consisted of a mean of 55% (range 37-75%) of the adolescents admitted to the residential programs during the time period. Demographic information (i.e., gender, age) from admission data provided by the residential programs indicated the sample was roughly representative of students enrolled in the programs during the same time period.[/list][/list]
To tell you the truth, it isn't even clear (to *me*) whether they even had anything to do with the questionnaire, just with the participant consent/assent forms.
Again, I may be missing something. If so, I'd appreciate anyone's clarification/insight. Thanks.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---By the way, I don't even read your posts and I don't think anyone else does either.
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Oh, you hurt my feelings. You did a ton of responding for someone who doesn't read my posts. Is this another lie? Hmmmm. Well anyway ..
so lets recap.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Whooter, could you possibly quote exactly where it says that the Western Institutional Review Board "approved research and audited the study?"
Perhaps I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, but the only reference I was able to find in all 21 pages of this presentation ("Report of Findings from a Multi-Center Study of Youth Outcomes in Private Residential Treatment," by Ellen Behrens and Kristin Satterfield; 114th Annual APA Convention; August 12, 2006) as uploaded onto Scribd.com was ... the following emphasized sentence in the Methods section (page 3):
METHOD
Participants.
The sample consisted of 993 adolescents, admitted to one of 9 programs located in the Eastern and Western United States, between August 2003 and August 2005, who, along with their parents or guardians (hereafter referred to as “parents”) agreed to participate in the study and who completed measures at admission and/or discharge. The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
The contribution of each of the 9 residential programs to the sample was relatively equal and ranged from 9% to 16%. This sample consisted of a mean of 55% (range 37-75%) of the adolescents admitted to the residential programs during the time period. Demographic information (i.e., gender, age) from admission data provided by the residential programs indicated the sample was roughly representative of students enrolled in the programs during the same time period.[/list][/list]
To tell you the truth, it doesn't appear as though they had anything to do with even the questionnaire, just with the participant consent/assent forms.
Again, I may be missing something. If so, I'd appreciate your pointing out my omission. Thanks.
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First I would like to say that you are a good friend to DJ to take the focus off of him like this. The lies he was caught up in got to be pretty embarrassing for him just before he bailed out. The whole phone call he claimed to make to WIRB was a disaster.
I don’t think you are missing anything, Ursus, when they presented to the APA I don’t think the audience wanted to hear a drawn out rendition of how the study was over seen and the details of how they were involved. The audience was interested in the study results which is what they presented. So you will not see a lot of detail about all the work the oversight committee did. Just like they didn’t talk about all the hard work Canyon Research did in compiling all the data, the long hours they spent crunching numbers.
You mentioned yourself in the quote you highlighted that they approved the study and once WIRB insures that the Consent forms are accurate they review the ongoing research. This is how review boards work.
Check out their web site if you want to learn more. It is an interesting process.
The study was overseen by a third party. I know it is tough to swallow for some people here but these studies are starting to come out now. Its only the beginning.
--- Quote ---To tell you the truth, it doesn't appear as though they had anything to do with even the questionnaire,
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I agree with you, this was another DJ misconception. The questionnaire is typically made up by the research firm, (Canyon Research). He may have confused phone calls.
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