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Group Therapy increasing Drug Risk?????/
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There was a third party oversight committee which watched over the study and insured there was no conflict of interest.
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No, there wasn't. There was an outside group that approved the format of the questionaire, nothing more. If this were true, I'm sure you could post a link and excerpt.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If you see flaws with this you need to contact the oversight committee
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There is no oversight committe.
You also have posted numerous times about a fictitious "one year follow-up study." That doesn't exist either.
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--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---You have absolutely no evidence or actual on hands on person that can verify what your saying.
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I said the "study" wasn't peer-reviewed or published by a reputable journal. Obviously, if you could provide proof it was, that would make my point unverifiable. I'll be waiting for your link to its peer review and publication. Until then, the only evidence available (the "study" itself) says the opposite of what you're saying, so it looks like you just made the rest up.
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--- Quote from: "guest4NKQD" ---There appears to be continued confusion around the study conducted by Ellen Behrens. While she and other industry pundits claim it was an Independent Study, nothing could be further from the truth.
1999 Behrens Clinical Director for Youth care
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens
2002 Founded Canyon Research
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html
2003 - 2005 Behrens conducting surveys
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/pre ... 060817.htm
2004 Behrens doing Consulting for AEG
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 0626.shtml
2006 Behrens completes her survey results passed off as Independent Study
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5360.shtml
"We also tried to eliminate all students discharged from the programs before graduation because the clinical staff thought it was actually an inappropriate placement, or when they felt the program couldn't be helpful to the child. As a result, the operating assumption of the study is that the students included in the analyzed data were those who were appropriately placed."
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5494.shtml
Comment: ....It would be helpful to know more about Dr. Behren’s research design and methodology. I presume she drew a random sample for the study; otherwise, the results cannot be generalized to the school/residential population at large.
Jerry W Clark
Dba Behavioral Services Ltd
Reno, NV
No Jerry, she didn't. Families from 9 Aspen programs participated in her "study". She and all her staff have links to Aspen programs.
http://www.natsap.org/Behrens.doc
viewtopic.php?p=215887#p215887
Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement: Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.
http://www.natsap.org/Outcome%20Study.doc
2006 Behrens is a contributor to NATSAPs "Journal of Therapeutic Schools and Programs.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5456.shtml
ASPEN EDUCATION GROUP APPLAUDS STUDY
(April 26, 2007) According to an article on PRNewswire, Elliot Sainer, President of Aspen Education Group (AEG), Cerritos, CA, announced "AEG is extremely pleased to learn of the very positive findings from the final phase of our industry's first long-term, multi-year clinical study on the effectiveness of private therapeutic residential programs for adolescents. AEG will continue to advocate for new industry research that will further illustrate and promote the best practices and methodologies and enhance our industry's abilities to produce positive and long-lasting results in adolescent therapeutic education."
I guess he was pleased. He paid her to present AEG in the best possible light.
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This so-called "study" is pure bologna. Methods are bad, all kinds of conflicts, lead "researcher" failed to disclose working for the study target, etc., etc., etc. This industry won't allow scientific examination of it because it would then be proven to be totally ineffective and against ethical and professional standards. Plain and simple. This is why they try to pass off drivel like Behrens' as "research" rather than have a real study done.
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qft, brother. don't believe the hype.
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Whooter:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. If you still feel that the study is invalid then you can speak to the APA and the review board who audited and approved the study. If they side with you then come back and make your argument here.
A person unaffiliated with the Framingham Heart Study cannot just invalidate a study and say "Phsst, this study is crap, look there was a doctor involved with the research who use to perform heart transplants and another who is a doctor. This is a total conflict of interest, someone get me a cigarette and a cheeseburger!!!" lol
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psy:
DJ, what Whooter is doing is transparent to anybody with half a brain who reads this. There is no point in further arguing. Maybe we can get back to the topic of the thread.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---DJ, what Whooter is doing is transparent to anybody with half a brain who reads this. There is no point in further arguing. Maybe we can get back to the topic of the thread.
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What is transparent and evident is that I have provided links to the facts. You know the study is bullet proof so you want to move on. The study was approved by an oversight committee and presented to American Psychological Association. A couple of anonymous posters on the internet cant invalidate it. You would have to try to discredit the committee first and then try to go after the study next and then present your finding to the APA. You cant do it because it is a valid study.
You or I cant sit here and judge the details or invalidate it. We dont have access to any of the details. That is why they have professionals do it. If there was a flaw or conflict of interest they would have found it because that is what they do.
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