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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN (from "I wonder what farm...")
« Reply #75 on: May 07, 2010, 03:33:25 PM »
So I posted this ad to Lost Angels' Craigslist and a similar one to Lincoln, NB.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/vn ... 91439.html

No copy pasta allowed on CL, though, so I'd have to edit for each area. I don't want each version to look more and more tortured like scam/spam language. So if anybody wants to re-write it in your own words and post to another area that'd be kewl! Here are the locations
http://www.girlsandboystown.org/locations
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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2010, 06:13:42 PM »
No takers yet, eh?

My guess is that a very large percentage of Boys Town clients are those who avail themselves of their community support services and in-home family services, which are at the least invasive end of what Boys Town calls their "Integrated Continuum of Care." Hence, it's easy to see how people might have mixed feelings about, and some reticence towards, exposing abuses which have occurred. Overall, Boys Town would appear to do more good than bad. Whether true or not, such a mindset does nothing to address the abuse nor offers appropriate redress to its victims.

As Blombrowski so aptly states in this post in another thread, emphasis added, they are a "multi-service agency - they have as many programs designed to keep kids out of residential care as residential programs. ...All this is to say, depending on how you define the problem, Boys & Girls Town is either part of the problem of part of the solution, maybe even both."

My concerns, of course, lie primarily with the Boys Town programs which are at the other end of that continuum.
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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN (from "I wonder what farm..
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2010, 04:31:52 AM »
If boystown currently appears to do no more bad than good it might be that it is not inherently abusive any more than the boy scouts or any catholic parish school are. Given the amount of people who have come forward to complain about systemically abusive practices at just about everywhere else that operates under this system, i dont see why there would be an irrational fear of doing the same at boystown. Particularly since it is a place kids choose to attend which is the key difference bwtween it and just about evry other gulag. As i have said in the past I don't know whether i really support an orphanage sort of model for kids who genuinely can not live at home and so to some extent i agree with blombro's post. An institution is not a home. But to accuse a place of systemic abuse there needs to be some recent evidence. Particularly when boys town provides many legitimate social services.
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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN (from "I wonder what farm..
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2010, 06:31:10 AM »
You are a very devout catholic aren't you?
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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN (from "I wonder what farm..
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2010, 10:58:03 AM »
LOL no. I assume you want to get a bit of a rise here and i am bored today so will give it. I am an agnostic. Not because i have any particularly bitter feelings toward the church or organized religion. I just cant picture myself sitting on a cloud in a hospital gown.
 If you want to start a discussion on all the things i think are disturbing or wrong about the church, particularly their approach to abuse accusations or the somewhat unhealthy view of human sexuality or contraception that the church can hav,e then be my guest. Whether i think that the damaging effects of this outweigh the genuine compassion and concern with social justice that many rank and file clergy of all religious stripes show on a daily basis, i honestly dont know. I know that many people much brighter and kinder than me have devoted their life to what they see as service of god and i take my hat off to them. Not because of their faith but because of their lifetime of selfless acts and their search for knowledge.
I also know that fanatical blind faith leads people to some pretty dark places and has allowed terrible abuse to flourish. This means that some clergy are real evil pricks. their damage to the community is endless. Others are not so much evil as stupid and ignorant and mortifyingly anti intellectual. It does seem to me that such people of faith have the loudest media voice in any religious debate and this saddens me. It certainly seems that the religious right has taken it upon itself to speak for every person of faith and that the media has let it.
But i think that this is all a matter for the free for all forum.
As I have said all along if a boystown alum stands up and says that the general practices of the place mirror the rest of the industry then i will have no reason not to believe them. I also hope that the guilty parties involved in this case are suitably punished and that Boystown has been forced by the diocese to take professional standards seriously. I would hope that is now the same for any school anywhere regardless of its religious background. If not then any organization should be shut down. If this makes me some sort of jesus freak then i guess so be it.
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Re: Father Flanagan's BOYS' TOWN
« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2010, 12:56:05 PM »
I think any time you are dealing with a program that utilizes a 'round the clock therapeutic milieu, especially one that's ideologically driven, and which wields an inordinate amount of power over not only how alleged abuse is investigated and adjudged within the program, but also by the local community... you run the risk of outright abuse as well as abuse brought about through coercive thought reform.

That's my 2¢, and that's been my experience, fwiw...
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Third Lawsuit Alleges Sex Abuse At Boys Town
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2010, 01:03:55 PM »
Back to the news articles... Yet a third lawsuit gets filed:

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KETV7abc OMAHA
Third Lawsuit Alleges Sex Abuse At Boys Town
Attorneys File Latest Lawsuit Thursday

POSTED: 1:21 p.m. CDT April 25, 2003
UPDATED: 2:14 p.m. CDT April 25, 2003


OMAHA, Neb. -- Boys Town faces a third lawsuit claiming sexual abuse from decades ago at the home for wayward youth.

Phoenix attorney William Walker said Friday more lawsuits will follow, but he is refusing to say how many more.

Boys Town officials said the claims are unfounded.

Lance Rivers, of Phoenix, a former Boys Town resident, claims in the latest lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court that he was abused multiple times by a counselor from 1981 to 1983.

It is the third lawsuit claiming abuse by the late Michael Wolf, a counselor at Boys Town from 1969 to 1983. He died in 1990. The other lawsuits also allege abuse by the Rev. James Kelly around the same time.

Kelly left Boys Town in 1983. He has adamantly denied the allegations.


Copyright 2003 by TheOmahaChannel.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Priest's N.Y. accusers shocked to hear of his move...
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2010, 11:56:30 AM »
The Rev. James Kelly may continue to adamantly deny the allegations, but ... these allegations sound awfully similar to complaints made back in Albany, New York:

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Omaha World-Herald [NEBRASKA]
Priest's N.Y. accusers shocked to hear of his move to Boys Town
3 May 2003

By Stephen Buttry
World-Herald Staff Writer


ALBANY, N.Y. - Before the Rev. James Kelly came to Boys Town in the 1970s, he was urging boys to drop their pants in the principal's office at a New York high school, several former students there say.

One former student alleged in a recent interview that Kelly molested him in the office after telling him to pull down his pants.

"He touched me and told me, 'Don't be afraid. God will forgive you,'" said the 43-year-old Albany man, who agreed to talk on the condition that he be identified only by his first name, Bob.

Bob was one of six former students at Keveny Memorial Academy in Cohoes, N.Y., who told in recent interviews with The World-Herald about conversations in Kelly's office that often turned to sex and masturbation.

Another former student, identified only as David, told the Albany Times-Union that Kelly molested him after asking him to drop his pants for a spanking.

One former student remembers being "shocked by the absurdity" when he learned Kelly was going to work at Boys Town.

Three others agreed, saying they recalled laughing at the news. "We all said, 'The poor kids at Boys Town,'" one said.

Kelly was accused in recent lawsuits of molesting two boys when he was at Boys Town from 1975 to 1983. A third man said in an interview with The World-Herald that Kelly molested him while he was at Boys Town. Those lawsuits also allege abuse by Michael Wolf, a former counselor who left Boys Town in 1983 and died in 1990. A third lawsuit alleges abuse only by Wolf.

James Martin Davis, the attorney hired by Boys Town to investigate the allegations raised in the lawsuits, said Boys Town received no indication of sexual misconduct before hiring Kelly.

Kelly denies abusing boys in New York or at Boys Town. He said he spanked boys with their pants down, a practice he said was acceptable at the time.

"I used to tell parents the only way you should discipline a child is to hit him on his bare butt with your bare hand," Kelly said in an interview this week from Carson City, Nev., "I'm in trouble now because I followed the advice I gave parents. . . . There was no fondling. There was no touching of genitals at all."

He acknowledges that he talked to boys about masturbation, but says he brought it up only in asking the youths about possible sins they might confess.

After the first lawsuit was filed, Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard placed Kelly on administrative leave, pending an investigation. Kelly was a prison chaplain in Carson City.

The Albany Diocese investigated a complaint against Kelly in the 1980s, after he returned to New York from Boys Town, and concluded then and in a review last year that the incident did not constitute sexual abuse. As a precaution, though, the diocese sent him for therapy.

Ken Goldfarb, communication director for the Albany Diocese, said the investigation is continuing. He did not know details of the 1980s incident.

"Whatever that event was, it was enough to prompt some sort of evaluation and therapy," Goldfarb said.

Kelly said that complaint related to his spanking kids on their bare bottoms. Both investigations, he said, concluded that "there was nothing sexual in that at all." His therapy, he said, had to do with "anger and rigidity."

The accusations by former students at Keveny and Boys Town have similarities:

• Former students from both places, including some who don't say they were molested, said Kelly asked them uncomfortable, detailed questions about masturbation and other sexual practices.

• Former students from both places say Kelly asked improper questions during confession. Two former Boys Town youths say Kelly molested them during confession.

• Former students from both places recall him encouraging them to pull down their pants.

Those who say they resisted Kelly's encouragement to drop their pants say he never molested them. They spoke only on condition they not be identified.

Some recall him staring at the genitals of naked boys.

"This priest never looked above our waistlines in the 10 minutes that he grilled us," recalled a 45-year-old Albany man. He said Kelly stopped him and his brother as they came out of the shower after baseball practice, the last boys to leave.

A Keveny classmate of that man said another youth stripped to retrieve a dock that was floating away at a church camp on Lake Luzerne, where Kelly often took groups of youths.

Kelly walked up as the naked youth came ashore. "Kelly was talking right to his (penis)," the former student said. "He never took his eyes off."

Kelly said he did not recall such incidents.

The former Keveny students said that when teachers sent them to the principal's office for discipline, Kelly asked uncomfortable questions, then presented manipulative choices.

A baseball player said he had to choose six weeks of detention, missing nearly the whole baseball season, or physical punishment. When he chose spanking, the former student said, he faced another choice: 30 to 40 swats with pants up, fewer with pants down but underwear up and fewer still on his bare bottom.

Another former student got the choice between detention and private confession.

Kelly said he did give boys the choices of punishments and did give fewer swats if they took their pants down. However, he denied presenting confession as a disciplinary choice.

Whether in confession or in a discussion before paddling a youth, the former students said, Kelly asked explicit questions about the boy's sex experience: Had he had sexual relations with a girl? Did he masturbate? How much semen did he ejaculate?

"This guy could talk about the weather, and it ends up at masturbation," one former student said.

Kelly denied talking about sex with youths except in properly counseling them about sexual sins. "They are really using their imaginations," he said. "I would never get that ridiculous."

If a youth told him that he masturbated, Kelly said, "I would tell him he had to stop."

Jim Zareski of Malta, N.Y., a 1974 Keveny graduate, remembers that Kelly paddled him for smoking. Told about the choices other students recalled, Zareski said, "I don't remember that. I know my pants stayed up."

Richard Litwa, who taught math at Keveny, remembers that Kelly and a dean of discipline handled corporal punishment, but he did not notice or hear about any improper behavior.

"I have the highest regard for him," Litwa said.

Several former Boys Town residents also praised Kelly and said they doubted the accusations.

One Keveny student who never went to the office for discipline said Kelly summoned him anyway. He and another student faced the same questions about sex, under the guise of a sex-education lecture.

"I can only liken it to foreplay," the former student said. He said he answered every question by saying he didn't know. "I remember thinking, 'If this guy touches me, I'm going to punch him in the face, make a break for my door and tell my father.'"

However, he didn't tell his parents. None of the former students interviewed did.

Students talked and joked among themselves and gave Kelly insulting nicknames, but those who were interviewed didn't tell their parents, police or church authorities.

Bob still hasn't told his parents or his wife.

As a freshman at Keveny, Bob was summoned to the office in October and told that the principal interviewed all freshmen. Kelly closed the door, Bob said, and started by asking routine questions about his family and why he came to Keveny.

Then, Bob said, Kelly asked if the youth was sexually active. "He asked me, when I go to the bathroom, do I play with myself?"

The second time he was called to the office, he said, Kelly told him to pull down his pants and show how he touched himself when he went to the bathroom.

Then Kelly fondled the youth's genitals, Bob said. He estimates he was molested similarly on eight or nine occasions.

Bob was sure no one would believe him if he told. "In '73 I think it was a different world," Bob said. "Priests were priests, and you respected them."

As Bob grew up, he had difficulty with relationships and had a mental breakdown.

He was shocked to read news reports this year about Kelly being accused of abuse in the suits against Boys Town. "I thought he was dead," Bob said

Bob finally told his story to a lawyer, John Aretakis, who has several clients alleging abuse by priests, but has not filed suit.

"I've got some relief that I've told somebody."

Kelly said the accusations stemming from his time at Boys Town have ended his career. "Every priest is scared to death that somebody from his past is going to bring something up for money."


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Fourth lawsuit claims abuse at Boys Town
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2010, 04:02:02 PM »
And ... yet another lawsuit gets filed:

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Seattle Post-Intelligencer
July 28, 2003
Fourth lawsuit claims abuse at Boys Town

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

OMAHA, Neb. -- A fourth man who lived at Boys Town, the home for wayward youths made famous in a 1938 Spencer Tracy film, has filed a lawsuit claiming he was sexually abused by a staffer.

John Sturzenegger, 20, said in the lawsuit filed this month that he was abused during a 1997 diabetic incident, the Omaha World-Herald newspaper reported in Monday editions. He alleges that when he regained consciousness he found former teacher Glenn Moore fondling him.

The lawsuit says Sturzenegger told Boys Town officials about the incident at the time, and no action was taken against Moore.

Moore denied the allegation but declined to comment further, the newspaper said.

Girls and Boys Town attorney James Martin Davis told the newspaper that Boys Town immediately reported the allegation to police, child protection services, the youth's guardian and juvenile court. Davis said a police investigation found no substance to the allegation.


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