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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #300 on: July 11, 2010, 11:26:54 PM »
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Usually, parents are not given the choice of opting out of these types of "services." Moreover, to my knowledge, Academy at Sisters has not made public any info that some parents in the test group were less than 100% enthusiastic about coaching from Next Step for Success.

We had a similar parent package from swift river.  It was an audio course family building series of tapes.  Parents were told they needed to complete the course while their son or daughter were in the program  (I think ours was included and didn’t cost extra).  Aspen use to sell it on their web site also.  But some of the parents took to it and others did not.  It depends on the individual family issues.  Some parents don’t think they have anything to work on and that it was all on the kids to get the help and others realized it was a family issue in their case.  So it depended on the family.  I am sure AAS is seeing the same response.



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This is either a spiel that you made up off the top of your head, or... you have additional info from Academy at Sisters that you've obtained personally. Is Academy at Sisters yet another "collaborative partner" of STICC? Is STICC offering a scholarship to Academy at Sisters for its next charity case?

I am looking at it from a business perspective.  You spend the standard price for your kid to go to AAS and then they toss some extras your way like a family service, transitional service, after care service, escort service, individual therapy etc.   Like at the drive through when they ask you if you would like to super size it!! Lol  They hire another agency to handle the extras and AAS focuses on the kids and they get a kickback for every parent package they sell out on the free market.

If you still really think I am this Reuben guy why doesn’t someone call him and speak to him?  You have his phone number, address and email.  This has been going on for over a year now.  I cant believe that you still take this connection seriously.




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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #301 on: July 12, 2010, 03:56:58 AM »
:jawdrop: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss :jawdrop:

Who could have done such a thing?
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #302 on: July 12, 2010, 07:38:48 AM »
It is interesting that you place the names and addresses of 15 year old girls on the internet while you remain anonymous and hide in the shadows.  If a child got hurt in a program you would be the first ones to point the finger of blame yet you don’t have any problem placing these children in harm’s way yourself.  You use these children as pawns in your personal vengeance against programs and personal enjoyment without thought to their safety.

Pile of dead kids and Niles you are both cowards and by your actions it is easy to see this is not the first time someone has called you this.



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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #303 on: July 12, 2010, 09:09:35 AM »
I have spoken with the network behind Spft and I have been given the task to condemn the publication of this family.

While we recommend that the teenager enroll friends and extended family to create rescue groups on community networks so the teenagers can be freed from the detention they have been placed in without a preceeding legal process, we strongly believe that such a public fight must the choice of the teenager who are detained at a program.

Morgan should have been entitled to privacy until she decide otherwise. She is the only one who is at risk of loosing her human right to live in freedom. No what we may believe which is right, it is her future and no one else.

Damn you. Can you not avoid overstepping the line of common dignity?
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #304 on: July 12, 2010, 09:16:24 AM »
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In my daughters case it was a smooth transition with the credits being accepted by her local school since we were in the same state.

By "smooth transisiton" do you mean "took five years to graduate high school"?  Can you explain to us why if your daughter was "well ahead academically" and "all of her credits transferred" why she was unable to graduate high school in three or four years instead of five?  Forgive me, but that just doesn't make sense mathematically.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #305 on: July 12, 2010, 10:21:27 AM »
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In my daughters case it was a smooth transition with the credits being accepted by her local school since we were in the same state.

By "smooth transisiton" do you mean "took five years to graduate high school"?  Can you explain to us why if your daughter was "well ahead academically" and "all of her credits transferred" why she was unable to graduate high school in three or four years instead of five?  Forgive me, but that just doesn't make sense mathematically.


I define “Transition” (as it is being used here) as the gap between leaving the program and entering the childs new highschool from a credit transfer standpoint.  If both the program and the childs highschool are in the same state and the credits earned from the childs program can be easily transferred back to the childs high school at the end of his/her stay, I would consider this a "smooth transition" (from a credit transfer vantage-point).  This was the case with my daughter.

I can understand your confusion there is a lot aspects being discussed.  
Lets take a hypothetical situation where a boy starts high school in Sep. 2005 and fails almost every course in his freshman year.  He starts in a program in September 2006.  He starts his academics in Nov 2006 and remains at the program for 14 months during which time he covers over 2 years worth of work during his stay there.   He graduates from the program in the Winter of 2008.   The child takes a year off starting in the summer to work with disabled people and completes his high school the following year 2010.  This would cover the 5 year period.



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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #306 on: July 12, 2010, 11:38:20 AM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
So, quick recap:

1. The company hired to help manipulate the parents is entirely from CEDU.
Quote from: "Whooter"
exactly and the parents have a choice whether or not they chose to embrace this strategy.  It works for some families but others dont take to it well.  I think it is good that they offer this as an alternative to doing something local.
Quote from: "Ursus"
Would ya mind pointing out exactly where you get this information, Whooter? From the wording in the recent announcement there is NO mention of "choice" or "alternative." In fact, the implication is quite the opposite:

    ...we are excited to announce that Academy at Sisters now provides Parent Coaching through Next Step for Success to all incoming families.[/list]

    In fact, chances are, any parents who do not want to go along with this will be chastised for not doing their best to "help" their daughter! That's pretty much the way it works in most of these hellholes. :D

    See: ALSO.
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    No, the program provides it as a service.  Its not mandatory, I am sure they push hard  for(or maybe strong arm) the parents to sign up because they get a kick back but parents can work in their own direction if they choose.  I think overall it is a good idea to work with the school so that the issues that are uncovered or surface from the child can be communicated and addressed at home.

    But you need to remember that this is a family issue and changes need to be made by all parties involved.  Some parents chose counseling, others sign up with the program, others do nothing and hope the child gets fixed.
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"

    Usually, parents are not given the choice of opting out of these types of "services." Moreover, to my knowledge, Academy at Sisters has not made public any info that some parents in the test group were less than 100% enthusiastic about coaching from Next Step for Success.
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    We had a similar parent package from swift river. It was an audio course family building series of tapes. Parents were told they needed to complete the course while their son or daughter were in the program (I think ours was included and didn’t cost extra). Aspen use to sell it on their web site also. But some of the parents took to it and others did not. It depends on the individual family issues. Some parents don’t think they have anything to work on and that it was all on the kids to get the help and others realized it was a family issue in their case. So it depended on the family. I am sure AAS is seeing the same response.
    You still did not answer my question:

      Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"[/list]

      Moreover, to my knowledge, Next Step for Success does not offer "an audio course family building series of tapes." It's either something along the lines of a series of five coaching calls taking place via telephone (~$625-750, my guess), or it's more involved and also includes interaction via seminars taking place at the program (price unknown).

      Quote from: "Ursus"
      This is either a spiel that you made up off the top of your head, or... you have additional info from Academy at Sisters that you've obtained personally. Is Academy at Sisters yet another "collaborative partner" of STICC? Is STICC offering a scholarship to Academy at Sisters for its next charity case?
      Quote from: "Whooter"
      I am looking at it from a business perspective. You spend the standard price for your kid to go to AAS and then they toss some extras your way like a family service, transitional service, after care service, escort service, individual therapy etc. Like at the drive through when they ask you if you would like to super size it!! Lol They hire another agency to handle the extras and AAS focuses on the kids and they get a kickback for every parent package they sell out on the free market.

      If you still really think I am this Reuben guy why doesn’t someone call him and speak to him? You have his phone number, address and email. This has been going on for over a year now. I cant believe that you still take this connection seriously.
      You still didn't answer my question. Is this information something you just made up to sound important, or did you obtain it personally?
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      Re: Academy at Sisters
      « Reply #307 on: July 12, 2010, 11:46:32 AM »
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
      So, quick recap:

      1. The company hired to help manipulate the parents is entirely from CEDU.
      Quote from: "Whooter"
      exactly and the parents have a choice whether or not they chose to embrace this strategy.  It works for some families but others dont take to it well.  I think it is good that they offer this as an alternative to doing something local.
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Would ya mind pointing out exactly where you get this information, Whooter? From the wording in the recent announcement there is NO mention of "choice" or "alternative." In fact, the implication is quite the opposite:

        ...we are excited to announce that Academy at Sisters now provides Parent Coaching through Next Step for Success to all incoming families.[/list]

        In fact, chances are, any parents who do not want to go along with this will be chastised for not doing their best to "help" their daughter! That's pretty much the way it works in most of these hellholes. :D

        See: ALSO.
        Quote from: "Whooter"
        No, the program provides it as a service.  Its not mandatory, I am sure they push hard  for(or maybe strong arm) the parents to sign up because they get a kick back but parents can work in their own direction if they choose.  I think overall it is a good idea to work with the school so that the issues that are uncovered or surface from the child can be communicated and addressed at home.

        But you need to remember that this is a family issue and changes need to be made by all parties involved.  Some parents chose counseling, others sign up with the program, others do nothing and hope the child gets fixed.
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"

        Usually, parents are not given the choice of opting out of these types of "services." Moreover, to my knowledge, Academy at Sisters has not made public any info that some parents in the test group were less than 100% enthusiastic about coaching from Next Step for Success.
        Quote from: "Whooter"
        We had a similar parent package from swift river. It was an audio course family building series of tapes. Parents were told they needed to complete the course while their son or daughter were in the program (I think ours was included and didn’t cost extra). Aspen use to sell it on their web site also. But some of the parents took to it and others did not. It depends on the individual family issues. Some parents don’t think they have anything to work on and that it was all on the kids to get the help and others realized it was a family issue in their case. So it depended on the family. I am sure AAS is seeing the same response.
        You still did not answer my question:

          Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"[/list]

          Moreover, to my knowledge, Next Step for Success does not offer "an audio course family building series of tapes." It's either something along the lines of a series of five coaching calls taking place via telephone (~$625-750, my guess), or it's more involved and also includes interaction via seminars taking place at the program (price unknown).

          Quote from: "Ursus"
          This is either a spiel that you made up off the top of your head, or... you have additional info from Academy at Sisters that you've obtained personally. Is Academy at Sisters yet another "collaborative partner" of STICC? Is STICC offering a scholarship to Academy at Sisters for its next charity case?
          Quote from: "Whooter"
          I am looking at it from a business perspective. You spend the standard price for your kid to go to AAS and then they toss some extras your way like a family service, transitional service, after care service, escort service, individual therapy etc. Like at the drive through when they ask you if you would like to super size it!! Lol They hire another agency to handle the extras and AAS focuses on the kids and they get a kickback for every parent package they sell out on the free market.

          If you still really think I am this Reuben guy why doesn’t someone call him and speak to him? You have his phone number, address and email. This has been going on for over a year now. I cant believe that you still take this connection seriously.
          You still didn't answer my question. Is this information something you just made up to sound important, or did you obtain it personally?

          I got it from my experience at ASR.  They provided a service to the parents.  Ours was an audio course for parents (I am sure each program has a different approach).  The one AAS uses may be different.  Some parents it works for and others don’t take it to it too well.  I think it depends on the parents and how they view their contribution (if any) to the problem.  If the parents think that they need to do some work also then they may embrace the parents portion that they sell, otherwise they take a pass on the whole thing.

          Each family situation is different.



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          Re: Academy at Sisters
          « Reply #308 on: July 12, 2010, 02:01:02 PM »
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          Really?
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          Re: Academy at Sisters
          « Reply #310 on: July 12, 2010, 02:17:52 PM »
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          Morgan should have been entitled to privacy until she decide otherwise. She is the only one who is at risk of loosing her human right to live in freedom. Not what we may believe is right, it is her future and no one elses.
          I didn't think privacy before the program was going to be an issue.
          I suppose I thought wrong.

          Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
          :jawdrop: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss :jawdrop:

          Who could have done such a thing?
          This is sick.
          Just sick.
          Whomever decided this was a good idea was a fucking idiot.
          I am not blind to things, however I wished I would've never had the misfortune of reading this.
          What was this meant to accomplish?
          Well, I hope it did.

          MORGAN,
          if you can let this go that would be a good thing and concentrate on the issues at hand. Good folks here had been giving you healthy advice to think about. Most of the posters here really do care about your circumstances and want to see you come out of this situation as healthy as possible.
          Your questions concerning academics and the curriculum at the academy your going to were great questions, what have you found out so far or better yet maybe Oscar, Ursus or Whooter have found more information to give you. I am really at a loss here to help in this area but I am great at supporting you. I can be there to talk and be a friend, I also went through a program, though it was years ago.
          Take care
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          Re: Academy at Sisters
          « Reply #311 on: July 12, 2010, 02:20:31 PM »
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          Morgan should have been entitled to privacy until she decide otherwise. She is the only one who is at risk of loosing her human right to live in freedom. Not what we may believe is right, it is her future and no one elses.
          I didn't think privacy before the program was going to be an issue.
          I suppose I thought wrong.

          Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
          :jawdrop: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Daniel_Gauss :jawdrop:

          Who could have done such a thing?
          This is sick.
          Just sick.
          Whomever decided this was a good idea was a fucking idiot.
          I am not blind to things, however I wished I would've never had the misfortune of reading this.
          What was this meant to accomplish?
          Well, I hope it did.

          MORGAN TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE I DONT THINK YOU DO:

          Once you get to Academy at Sisters, or once you are "escorted" to Academy at Sisters, you will NOT BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE.

          You will be physically prevented from leaving.

          Do you understand that?

          You are walking into a prison which you will not be able to leave of your own accord.
          You will be physically prevented from escaping through retraints, guarding, locks, and any other number of means. Eventually, (very possibly) you will be not be able to leave because of psychological damage.

          You can be kept as there as long as your parents want you there, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, possibly.

          But, at least, and without any need for legal finangaling, until you are 18.

          DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
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          Re: Academy at Sisters
          « Reply #312 on: July 12, 2010, 05:19:55 PM »
          Kleenex, I am assuming you are "Pile".

          She does not fully understand it, and it is frustrating, but you have done nothing to help her understanding of it.  There comes a point, where right or wrong, you just start to seem like an obsessed, crazy person..

          Paul
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