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Ursus:
EdCon Dore Frances would appear to be quite cozy with the Academy at Sisters. Former Academy Director Betsy Jacobson-Warren also became an EdCon, and went to work with Frances 'bout five years ago:
JACOBSON-WARREN/ FRANCES PARTNERS
(May 28, 2005) Dore E. Frances, Educational Consultant, Bend, OR, 208-667-9098, announced that Betsy Jacobson-Warren, Bend, OR, 541-598-0550, has joined her team as an educational consultant. Prior to joining Dore Frances, Betsy was the Director of The Academy at Sisters in Bend, OR, for 10 years.[/list]
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---If you opened a food establishment of any type, would you hire employees of an establishment known for poisoning people, and feel completely like all is well, and good, because in your new establishment, poisoning people is not part of the new system that you have trained them in?
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I don’t think many establishments would have a problem hiring these people. What you don’t seem to understand is that people don’t generally wake up each morning with the intent and desire to harm others. If the restaurant were harming or poisoning people then it is probably embedded in their process somewhere. Each establishment has a different process which they dictate and control (not the employees).
The fallacy in your argument is that you assume that all the people programs hire are evil by nature.
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The fallacy in your argument, Whooter, is that you introduce a new premise (despite attributing its insertion to Paul), namely that Paul "assume that all the people programs hire are evil by nature." You then subsequently attempt to win your propaganda war by pointing out the inherent illogic in said introduced premise.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince readers that programs only hire evil people. Certainly, I fail to discern it in Paul's post above. And yet, here ya are, trying to convince folks that that is just what was said...
I call ... fail. :D
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So if they are not "all" evil by nature than a staff member can leave an abusive program and easily move into a none abusive program with new procedures. I think the point being made is if a program hires a staff member who use to work at CEDU it doesnt mean the new program becomes CEDU based. The staff members would be working to new procedures and a current model.
If McDonalds hires a guy that use to work at Burger King it doesnt mean that this new employee will be free to make Whoopers. He will be required to work to a new procedure.
This discussion ended I believe because we got sidetracked with other issues. It was good to review and conclude this.
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Dimonax:
One thing that Teens in this situation should seriously consider is running down to the nearest recruiting office and enlisting. At 16, legally, your old enough to join up. Be it the Guard, Marine Corps., Army, Navy, whatever.
They'll need to have a Diploma or a G.E.D., but the recruiters will usually help em out with that.
Once they've signed the dotted line, then legally their an adult and there's not much the parents can do about it. Of course they'll have to serve out the term of service, but if the postings on this site are any indication, that might be considerably shorter than a stay at one of these laughing academies.
I would suggest Morgan do that, she has to be close to 16 now. It'll be her own choice, and she'll get a hell of a lot better education than even a private school could provide. A college degree all paid for. etc...
Just something to consider.
Dimonax
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dimonax" ---One thing that Teens in this situation should seriously consider is running down to the nearest recruiting office and enlisting. At 16, legally, your old enough to join up. Be it the Guard, Marine Corps., Army, Navy, whatever.
They'll need to have a Diploma or a G.E.D., but the recruiters will usually help em out with that.
Once they've signed the dotted line, then legally their an adult and there's not much the parents can do about it. Of course they'll have to serve out the term of service, but if the postings on this site are any indication, that might be considerably shorter than a stay at one of these laughing academies.
I would suggest Morgan do that, she has to be close to 16 now. It'll be her own choice, and she'll get a hell of a lot better education than even a private school could provide. A college degree all paid for. etc...
Just something to consider.
Dimonax
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Thats a great idea. I wasnt aware kids could do that at age 16. A few months in boot camp typically would straighten out any issues the child may have with accountability, responsibility, weight issues etc.. This would also alleviate the need for the parents to dip into the retirement account. I think this is what kids did prior to programs.
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Dysfunction Junction:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---If you opened a food establishment of any type, would you hire employees of an establishment known for poisoning people, and feel completely like all is well, and good, because in your new establishment, poisoning people is not part of the new system that you have trained them in?
--- End quote ---
I don’t think many establishments would have a problem hiring these people. What you don’t seem to understand is that people don’t generally wake up each morning with the intent and desire to harm others. If the restaurant were harming or poisoning people then it is probably embedded in their process somewhere. Each establishment has a different process which they dictate and control (not the employees).
The fallacy in your argument is that you assume that all the people programs hire are evil by nature.
--- End quote ---
The fallacy in your argument, Whooter, is that you introduce a new premise (despite attributing its insertion to Paul), namely that Paul "assume that all the people programs hire are evil by nature." You then subsequently attempt to win your propaganda war by pointing out the inherent illogic in said introduced premise.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince readers that programs only hire evil people. Certainly, I fail to discern it in Paul's post above. And yet, here ya are, trying to convince folks that that is just what was said...
I call ... fail. :D
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After replay, the call stands.
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