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Academy at Sisters
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---In my daughters case it was a smooth transition with the credits being accepted by her local school since we were in the same state.
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By "smooth transisiton" do you mean "took five years to graduate high school"? Can you explain to us why if your daughter was "well ahead academically" and "all of her credits transferred" why she was unable to graduate high school in three or four years instead of five? Forgive me, but that just doesn't make sense mathematically.
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I define “Transition” (as it is being used here) as the gap between leaving the program and entering the childs new highschool from a credit transfer standpoint. If both the program and the childs highschool are in the same state and the credits earned from the childs program can be easily transferred back to the childs high school at the end of his/her stay, I would consider this a "smooth transition" (from a credit transfer vantage-point). This was the case with my daughter.
I can understand your confusion there is a lot aspects being discussed.
Lets take a hypothetical situation where a boy starts high school in Sep. 2005 and fails almost every course in his freshman year. He starts in a program in September 2006. He starts his academics in Nov 2006 and remains at the program for 14 months during which time he covers over 2 years worth of work during his stay there. He graduates from the program in the Winter of 2008. The child takes a year off starting in the summer to work with disabled people and completes his high school the following year 2010. This would cover the 5 year period.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids" ---So, quick recap:
1. The company hired to help manipulate the parents is entirely from CEDU.
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---exactly and the parents have a choice whether or not they chose to embrace this strategy. It works for some families but others dont take to it well. I think it is good that they offer this as an alternative to doing something local.
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Would ya mind pointing out exactly where you get this information, Whooter? From the wording in the recent announcement there is NO mention of "choice" or "alternative." In fact, the implication is quite the opposite:
...we are excited to announce that Academy at Sisters now provides Parent Coaching through Next Step for Success to all incoming families.[/list]
In fact, chances are, any parents who do not want to go along with this will be chastised for not doing their best to "help" their daughter! That's pretty much the way it works in most of these hellholes. :D
See: ALSO.
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---No, the program provides it as a service. Its not mandatory, I am sure they push hard for(or maybe strong arm) the parents to sign up because they get a kick back but parents can work in their own direction if they choose. I think overall it is a good idea to work with the school so that the issues that are uncovered or surface from the child can be communicated and addressed at home.
But you need to remember that this is a family issue and changes need to be made by all parties involved. Some parents chose counseling, others sign up with the program, others do nothing and hope the child gets fixed.
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"
Usually, parents are not given the choice of opting out of these types of "services." Moreover, to my knowledge, Academy at Sisters has not made public any info that some parents in the test group were less than 100% enthusiastic about coaching from Next Step for Success.
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---We had a similar parent package from swift river. It was an audio course family building series of tapes. Parents were told they needed to complete the course while their son or daughter were in the program (I think ours was included and didn’t cost extra). Aspen use to sell it on their web site also. But some of the parents took to it and others did not. It depends on the individual family issues. Some parents don’t think they have anything to work on and that it was all on the kids to get the help and others realized it was a family issue in their case. So it depended on the family. I am sure AAS is seeing the same response.
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You still did not answer my question:
Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"[/list]
Moreover, to my knowledge, Next Step for Success does not offer "an audio course family building series of tapes." It's either something along the lines of a series of five coaching calls taking place via telephone (~$625-750, my guess), or it's more involved and also includes interaction via seminars taking place at the program (price unknown).
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---This is either a spiel that you made up off the top of your head, or... you have additional info from Academy at Sisters that you've obtained personally. Is Academy at Sisters yet another "collaborative partner" of STICC? Is STICC offering a scholarship to Academy at Sisters for its next charity case?
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I am looking at it from a business perspective. You spend the standard price for your kid to go to AAS and then they toss some extras your way like a family service, transitional service, after care service, escort service, individual therapy etc. Like at the drive through when they ask you if you would like to super size it!! Lol They hire another agency to handle the extras and AAS focuses on the kids and they get a kickback for every parent package they sell out on the free market.
If you still really think I am this Reuben guy why doesn’t someone call him and speak to him? You have his phone number, address and email. This has been going on for over a year now. I cant believe that you still take this connection seriously.
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You still didn't answer my question. Is this information something you just made up to sound important, or did you obtain it personally?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids" ---So, quick recap:
1. The company hired to help manipulate the parents is entirely from CEDU.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---exactly and the parents have a choice whether or not they chose to embrace this strategy. It works for some families but others dont take to it well. I think it is good that they offer this as an alternative to doing something local.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Would ya mind pointing out exactly where you get this information, Whooter? From the wording in the recent announcement there is NO mention of "choice" or "alternative." In fact, the implication is quite the opposite:
...we are excited to announce that Academy at Sisters now provides Parent Coaching through Next Step for Success to all incoming families.[/list]
In fact, chances are, any parents who do not want to go along with this will be chastised for not doing their best to "help" their daughter! That's pretty much the way it works in most of these hellholes. :D
See: ALSO.
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---No, the program provides it as a service. Its not mandatory, I am sure they push hard for(or maybe strong arm) the parents to sign up because they get a kick back but parents can work in their own direction if they choose. I think overall it is a good idea to work with the school so that the issues that are uncovered or surface from the child can be communicated and addressed at home.
But you need to remember that this is a family issue and changes need to be made by all parties involved. Some parents chose counseling, others sign up with the program, others do nothing and hope the child gets fixed.
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"
Usually, parents are not given the choice of opting out of these types of "services." Moreover, to my knowledge, Academy at Sisters has not made public any info that some parents in the test group were less than 100% enthusiastic about coaching from Next Step for Success.
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---We had a similar parent package from swift river. It was an audio course family building series of tapes. Parents were told they needed to complete the course while their son or daughter were in the program (I think ours was included and didn’t cost extra). Aspen use to sell it on their web site also. But some of the parents took to it and others did not. It depends on the individual family issues. Some parents don’t think they have anything to work on and that it was all on the kids to get the help and others realized it was a family issue in their case. So it depended on the family. I am sure AAS is seeing the same response.
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You still did not answer my question:
Yeah, but where do you get the information that it is just "a service," and not "mandatory?" Moreover, what do you base this statement on: "It works for some families but others dont take to it well?"[/list]
Moreover, to my knowledge, Next Step for Success does not offer "an audio course family building series of tapes." It's either something along the lines of a series of five coaching calls taking place via telephone (~$625-750, my guess), or it's more involved and also includes interaction via seminars taking place at the program (price unknown).
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---This is either a spiel that you made up off the top of your head, or... you have additional info from Academy at Sisters that you've obtained personally. Is Academy at Sisters yet another "collaborative partner" of STICC? Is STICC offering a scholarship to Academy at Sisters for its next charity case?
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I am looking at it from a business perspective. You spend the standard price for your kid to go to AAS and then they toss some extras your way like a family service, transitional service, after care service, escort service, individual therapy etc. Like at the drive through when they ask you if you would like to super size it!! Lol They hire another agency to handle the extras and AAS focuses on the kids and they get a kickback for every parent package they sell out on the free market.
If you still really think I am this Reuben guy why doesn’t someone call him and speak to him? You have his phone number, address and email. This has been going on for over a year now. I cant believe that you still take this connection seriously.
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You still didn't answer my question. Is this information something you just made up to sound important, or did you obtain it personally?
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I got it from my experience at ASR. They provided a service to the parents. Ours was an audio course for parents (I am sure each program has a different approach). The one AAS uses may be different. Some parents it works for and others don’t take it to it too well. I think it depends on the parents and how they view their contribution (if any) to the problem. If the parents think that they need to do some work also then they may embrace the parents portion that they sell, otherwise they take a pass on the whole thing.
Each family situation is different.
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MorganMDC:
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Really?
Pile of shit:
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