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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2010, 05:43:28 PM »
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They're taking me for a tour on Monday

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THE TOUR IS BULLSHIT

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They actually plan to leave you there during that "tour".
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2010, 05:45:03 PM »
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While absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, all I can suggest is that either the program is new, or isn't as bad as others.

Then again, equivalence fallacies or rationalization of a bad thing as not being "as bad" as something else is fucking stupid - I probably don't need to tell you this, of course. Nevertheless, I do hate that I'd have to even bring this up to anyone, ever, let alone tell someone to not trust their parents ever again.

What forums are you speaking of, might I ask?
I don't need you to tell me not to trust my parents ever again, that's a given from birth.
There really aren't any. I found one post on this academy here, and one on yahoo answers. Besides that, no one seems to know anything - excluding a myspace group that's first post is, "Stella became a pornstar?!?!"
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2010, 06:35:46 PM »
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I cannot believe the program would not warn your parents out of telling you in advance, but their lack of due diligence is your gain, so to speak. I've seen documents for WWASPS programs stating to NOT let your child know in advance, for fuck's sake.

If you know how to stay secluded and communicate incommunicado I'd point them towards information about such places. Even if they don't wake up and smell the suffering, at least you can say you tried, and it could help you to stay out of contact and far away until you're 18.

When you do turn 18, at any rate, community college would probably be a good option. It's honesty easy and not a pain in the ass like Highschool is, and if you have no income you could easily qualify for grants. Then again, the whole reason for their need to 'fix' you probably comes from you not neatly fitting into their ideas of what a middle class kid should be, right?

I don't know if I'm more upset with having to tell you this, or that the USA could allow such a situation to occur, but it's the most I can do from 3000 miles away. If I knew anyone near you I'd try to arrange something, but everyone I'm an acquaintance with is chickening out.

Take care of yourself. If you have siblings I'd warn then too.

She even let me read the forms. It's more idiocy then anything on her part.
I simply wanted to move the UK to finish school, which "is an option if you complete this life saving program" - exact quote, no doubt.
I'm not well dressed, a cheerleader, and getting straight A's... What other view of middle class girls is there anymore?
I appreciate what you've offered thus far anyway, every little bit helps. With no other information on it except one most besides this on the forums, not much one can learn.

How old are you, Morgan?  Did your mom get roped in by an Educational Consultant?  Or did she get a referral from some other program parent?  How did she come to pick this place?  Where are you located?

You will get a lot of advice here, but DO NOT follow any advice that directs you to commit criminal acts, as this will only steel your mother's resolve to send you away and get you involved with Johny Law.  I DO NOT advise this course of action.  A few of us have your mother's contact information and will try to reason with her on your behalf.  Unfortunately, there isn't much else we can do from here.

Please answer the above questions and contact Mr. Elberg ASAP.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 06:47:56 PM »
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I cannot believe the program would not warn your parents out of telling you in advance, but their lack of due diligence is your gain, so to speak. I've seen documents for WWASPS programs stating to NOT let your child know in advance, for fuck's sake.

If you know how to stay secluded and communicate incommunicado I'd point them towards information about such places. Even if they don't wake up and smell the suffering, at least you can say you tried, and it could help you to stay out of contact and far away until you're 18.

When you do turn 18, at any rate, community college would probably be a good option. It's honesty easy and not a pain in the ass like Highschool is, and if you have no income you could easily qualify for grants. Then again, the whole reason for their need to 'fix' you probably comes from you not neatly fitting into their ideas of what a middle class kid should be, right?

I don't know if I'm more upset with having to tell you this, or that the USA could allow such a situation to occur, but it's the most I can do from 3000 miles away. If I knew anyone near you I'd try to arrange something, but everyone I'm an acquaintance with is chickening out.

Take care of yourself. If you have siblings I'd warn then too.

She even let me read the forms. It's more idiocy then anything on her part.
I simply wanted to move the UK to finish school, which "is an option if you complete this life saving program" - exact quote, no doubt.
I'm not well dressed, a cheerleader, and getting straight A's... What other view of middle class girls is there anymore?
I appreciate what you've offered thus far anyway, every little bit helps. With no other information on it except one most besides this on the forums, not much one can learn.

How old are you, Morgan?  Did your mom get roped in by an Educational Consultant?  Or did she get a referral from some other program parent?  How did she come to pick this place?  Where are you located?

You will get a lot of advice here, but DO NOT follow any advice that directs you to commit criminal acts, as this will only steel your mother's resolve to send you away and get you involved with Johny Law.  I DO NOT advise this course of action.  A few of us have your mother's contact information and will try to reason with her on your behalf.  Unfortunately, there isn't much else we can do from here.

Please answer the above questions and contact Mr. Elberg ASAP.

I am fifteen years old. She was roped in by both. She picked it, because it is the only option. Oregon. Beaverton, Oregon.
Her e-mail is of course the best way to reason with her, not only due to phone issues, but because direct abuse after hang up is not pleasent.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »
Understood.  And thank you.  Please understand that when you go on a "tour" of these places, you don't leave.  I'd advise disappearing for a while before that "tour" happens.  If you go, you're not coming back.  That much we all know here.

Is your family of means?  That is, do they have a lot of money?  If not, you could potentially break the stranglehold financially.  If your mom keeps taking off from work and still never getting you to go with her, she might need to give in because she can't afford to sustain the struggle financially.  If she has money, this will be tougher.

I worked as a therapist for many years and at two of these "programs" also as a noob graduate.  I'm going to email your mom and shoot her straight about what she's about to do to your life.  Hopefully if she hears enough sound advice, she may change her mind.  We've (a few of us here at Fornits) have done that before for young people in your situation and have been successful.  Keep your head down and your your stuff wired tight and we'll see what we can do.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2010, 07:04:23 PM »
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Understood.  And thank you.  Please understand that when you go on a "tour" of these places, you don't leave.  I'd advise disappearing for a while before that "tour" happens.  If you go, you're not coming back.  That much we all know here.

Is your family of means?  That is, do they have a lot of money?  If not, you could potentially break the stranglehold financially.  If your mom keeps taking off from work and still never getting you to go with her, she might need to give in because she can't afford to sustain the struggle financially.  If she has money, this will be tougher.

I worked as a therapist for many years and at two of these "programs" also as a noob graduate.  I'm going to email your mom and shoot her straight about what she's about to do to your life.  Hopefully if she hears enough sound advice, she may change her mind.  We've (a few of us here at Fornits) have done that before for young people in your situation and have been successful.  Keep your head down and your your stuff wired tight and we'll see what we can do.
My father is the worker, my mother is the lazy bitch on the couch - sorry.
It's about half or more of my fathers monthly paycheck, that's all I know.
All I can do is hope that someone can talk sense into her. If she doesn't feel it's the truth, or if she feels it is the truth she doesn't want to face, I'm a bit screwed.
I appreciate everyone's help, again, and the understanding that my father must not hear of this, and no phone calls can be made.
My mother and e-mail is my best bet.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2010, 07:06:04 PM »
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my father must not hear of this, and no phone calls can be made.

We can grant the second- some of us, anyway- but there's no chance in hell on the first. He WILL hear of this, one way or another, and he WILL be reading this topic. Sorry.

If you're worried about making him violent, make him violent. Hopefully he'll leave bruises. And then you can call the cops on *him*. That'll put this whole business to an abrupt halt.

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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2010, 07:11:52 PM »
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Understood.  And thank you.  Please understand that when you go on a "tour" of these places, you don't leave.  I'd advise disappearing for a while before that "tour" happens.  If you go, you're not coming back.  That much we all know here.

Is your family of means?  That is, do they have a lot of money?  If not, you could potentially break the stranglehold financially.  If your mom keeps taking off from work and still never getting you to go with her, she might need to give in because she can't afford to sustain the struggle financially.  If she has money, this will be tougher.

I worked as a therapist for many years and at two of these "programs" also as a noob graduate.  I'm going to email your mom and shoot her straight about what she's about to do to your life.  Hopefully if she hears enough sound advice, she may change her mind.  We've (a few of us here at Fornits) have done that before for young people in your situation and have been successful.  Keep your head down and your your stuff wired tight and we'll see what we can do.
My father is the worker, my mother is the lazy bitch on the couch - sorry.
It's about half or more of my fathers monthly paycheck, that's all I know.
All I can do is hope that someone can talk sense into her. If she doesn't feel it's the truth, or if she feels it is the truth she doesn't want to face, I'm a bit screwed.
I appreciate everyone's help, again, and the understanding that my father must not hear of this, and no phone calls can be made.
My mother and e-mail is my best bet.

Well, it sounds like there's not much money to spare if it's half his paycheck (unless he makes $250k plus).  It's a big gamble spending that kind of money on a program.  They just don't work.  They're scams and shams at best (see the "children are products" link in my signature - this is what they believe), outright abusive at worst.  Some of them have killed many kids in their "care."  Your folks will learn of this...today.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2010, 07:14:38 PM »
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my father must not hear of this, and no phone calls can be made.

We can grant the second- some of us, anyway- but there's no chance in hell on the first. He WILL hear of this, one way or another, and he WILL be reading this topic. Sorry.

If you're worried about making him violent, make him violent. Hopefully he'll leave bruises. And then you can call the cops on *him*. That'll put this whole business to an abrupt halt.

(Dear Morgan's Dad: Yes. We do give advice like that. Do you have any fucking idea what exactly you are getting into here?)
Meh, My father isn't the one I'm worried about, is all. He doesn't want this either, and he's the only one in my line of family I can tolerate. I do appreciate the absence of phone calls. I cannot control any one person, thus I'll stop trying.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2010, 07:15:34 PM »
I sympathize with your position.  Advice is hard to give here.  Although I certainly would understand taking extreme measures to avoid going, I can’t recommend doing something that will be held against you later. Whatever you do, understand that you cannot make a ‘right’ decision right now. If you run, or fight, or take any defensive measure that will be considered ‘out of control’ they are going to use those actions against you to further label you ‘troubled’.  I certainly will not hold it against you, you are trying to protect yourself, but you will not get that reaction from them, you will be held individually accountable.  In the end you may not be able to avoid going, and what you do now will become your ‘issues’ in therapy, and it will be hard to live with there. So right now my advice is to fight, but do it in the most respectable way you can.  In the end, even if you have to go, at least you will be able to say you were acting maturely, and kept a level head, which is more than can be said for them.  Being able to say, ‘I could’ve gone to the lengths of running away, threatening violence (etc.), but I wouldn’t let them scare me into being the wrong one’, will be a strong defense.

Bottom line, they are wrong and you are right. Your parents are scared, and that fear is motivating a harmful decision. They are not thinking clearly and you should help them understand that good decisions don’t come from being in an emotional tizzy, they come from being rational and logical. Your parents don’t know and are not informed about what they are about to put you through. My suggestion is to challenge them on that.  How much detail do they really know about the place? How researched are they about their methodologies? Do they understand the program will never be transparent? How much of their decision is emotional, or fear based?  If this is the basis of their decision making, maybe it is not you that has the problem, and it is really them that needs help.  If you can calmly get that point across, and they still send you there, that will be quite a statement as to what kind of parents they are and how much they really care about you.  

The programs website is a typical fluff piece showing videos of teens talking about their ‘issues’, and for those like you parents reaching out for any answer it is the relief of tension they are looking for. They have no idea how easy it is to contrive such an outward appearance.  

So my advice for now is to not do anything that will allow them to say, ‘What were we supposed to do, your actions gave us no choice, we had to do something.’ Make sure that you don’t ‘make’ them do anything, make sure that their decision is THEIRS and that they be accountable for it.  This is just my advice, I don't want to sound hopeless, I certaily don't think therapy should be forced on you, and I don't want you to just roll over here, but it might be the most effective approach right now.

I’m leaving this link for you to read.  I don’t know your parents, but maybe if you showed it to them it might influence their decision.  If you have to go, print it out and sneak it in, share it with the ‘students’, openly challenge their ‘therapy’ with it. It may help you there, and they might not even want to keep you there if they can’t get you to buy into their games.  They are putting you in a double bind, take a look.    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423&start=0  

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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2010, 07:17:24 PM »
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He doesn't want this either

Then it's time for him to man the fuck up and tell his wife "HELL NO", now isn't it?!
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2010, 07:23:10 PM »
Definitely appeal to dad then.  Get him here to read up.  Educate him as Awake avised.  Keep at it, respectfully, open the dialogue and keep trying.  Work on dad if you think you can get him to listen.  In the meantime, try to steer your mom here and don't aggravate the situation with her.

Does anyone have any info on this place?  Staff?  License? Complaints to regulators?  Ties to known abusive programs?  etc...
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2010, 07:28:37 PM »
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He doesn't want this either

Then it's time for him to man the fuck up and tell his wife "HELL NO", now isn't it?!


It is, but it won't happen.

Dysfunction Junction,
He is whipped as fuck, not a chance.
He wants to be the friend, not the dad.

I myself couldn't find even one review on this place, thus I came here.
For all I know, nothings happened yet.
I want to be sure.
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Re: Academy at Sisters
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2010, 07:29:59 PM »
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He wants to be the friend, not the dad.

Then give your "friend" a call (or an email, whatever) and tell him that your mother is about to send you away to be quite literally tortured and that he has less than three days to man the fuck up.
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