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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 06:35:03 PM »
No that in not my term. The word Projectipant  is not from the word ‘project’ even though it has the same spelling.

Projectipant comes from the the psychological term ‘projection’ and its more general definition. I’ll reiterate.

Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.

Projection- The action of projecting or throwing or propelling something.

Projectipant-  One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him.



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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 11:32:46 PM »
The most suitable term is “detainee”

These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.

The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 11:51:36 PM »
Patient wouldn't work because these programs provide a torture model, not a therapy model. That's because kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison  system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU

And 3 generations post Synaon, its spin offs are still torturing, as investigators have corroborated. For example, the state found that ALL detainees of the Aspen Education Group cult gulag, MBA, were abused in the course of being subjected to the 'program model' of ritual sexual abuse, and psychological and physical abuse. It also found that no one licensed or qualified to treat adolescents for mental health issues worked at the "school."

Place to start research into the Aspen Education Group Cult offenses:
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/sch ... it-re-open
http://www.cafety.org/solutions-and-suc ... my-closing

""The investigation was conducted by the Office of Investigation and Training (OIT) at DHS. Investigators with OIT reported that ALL students at MBA were required to participate in "emotional growth" workshops, called Lifesteps, which included activities that were coercive, intimidating and humiliating -- including sexualized role play and reenactment of past traumatic events, such as prior physical or sexual abuse.""
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 11:52:01 PM »
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The most suitable term is “detainee”

These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.

The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.

DANNY
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 12:02:44 AM »
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The most suitable term is “detainee”

These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.

The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.

DANNY

Disengage from the endless cycle of internet rage posting that you and some others engage in here, do some research and get back to me. We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?

You can start here:


http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry

The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. And so is being kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured, for that matter.
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 12:04:53 AM »
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...kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU.
Got any proof of that?

I respectfully beg to differ with that pat assertion. Synanon was small potatoes, my dear, when it comes to where all this started.

The United States government had already been experimenting with uses for therapeutic community modalities for at least a decade by the time Chuckie D hit the scene. In fact, he probably learned some of his trade from them. After all, he was an ex-con.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 12:08:46 AM »
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The most suitable term is “detainee”

These terms portray citizens held in captivity without due process with the complicity of the state. The state is unaware that many of these “schools” have prisoners, but aware of the conduct of others. Also acceptable are “torture victims” for victims of the Synanon , CEDU and Aspen Education Group cult.

The proper term for Aspen Education Cult victim, Michael Reuben, son of John David Reuben (alleged to be whooter) is “corpse.” That is also the appropriate term for the approximately 1,000 other Aspen Education Cult murder victims, if we accept the projected suicide rate of thought reform victims, plus the roughly (at least) one murder victim a year who dies in Aspen from abuse.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: From the highly respected members of fornits. Thank You....
We love the syndrome you are suffering from, "Chronic Hyperbole Syndrome".
Whether you know this or not, 90% of viewers here recognize your pathological biased opinions (fears) that are spewed everyday and we recognize where they come from, they usually are projections of your life, not necessarily verbatim but we get the picture. So as they say let the circus move on.

DANNY

Disengage from the endless cycle of internet rage posting that you and some others engage in here, do some research and get back to me. We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?

You can start here:


http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry

The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. And so is being kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured, for that matter.


Why not disengage from the cycle of rage posting at random people, for petty reasons, that you & others engage in here, do some research and get back to me? We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?

You can start here:


http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry

The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. So is being systematically tortured, kidnapped (teen escort, they call it) brainwashed, and held captive, for that matter.
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 12:19:53 AM »
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...kidnap and imprison gulags are all descended from Synanon. In fact, the kidnap and imprison system was pioneered by Synanon. It was taken from Synanon to respective gulags still functioning today such as the Aspen Eduction Group cult. It reached Aspen through it's first generation spin-off CEDU.
Got any proof of that?

I respectfully beg to differ with that pat assertion. Synanon was small potatoes, my dear, when it comes to where all this started.

The United States government had already been experimenting with uses for therapeutic community modalities for at least a decade by the time Chuckie D hit the scene. In fact, he probably learned some of his trade from them. After all, he was an ex-con.

It can be proved for MOST gulag - cults. Synanon disciples can be traced through each gulag permutation back to the mother cult, or influence of disciples can be traced.

 Are you saying SOME gulags can be traced back to someplace that is NOT Synanon?
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2010, 12:34:09 AM »
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Lon Woodbury wrote:

Why not disengage from the cycle of rage posting at random people, for petty reasons, that you & others engage in here, do some research and get back to me? We’re on the same side, Danny. What happened to the guy who wanted to get the word out about Elan? Got distracted by flame wars? Maybe youre better than that?

You can start here:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08 ... n-industry

The CEDU, Synanon, Aspen Education Group Cult, troubled teen industry in general, connection is quite corroborated. So is being systematically tortured, kidnapped (teen escort, they call it) brainwashed, and held captive, for that matter.

I'm first off I not raging and usually don't. Your allowing yourself to be confused. Second I am not interested in Mother Jones it is the equivalent to fornits here, same loons.
Third when did I ever stop doing that, oh I'm sorry because you don't see it here it means I'm not doing it somewhere else. Yes please judge me totally on the behavior I show on fornits, thanks there buddy.
When are you fucking people going to get it through your heads that I don't want to have your views or prejudices, not one ounce. I don't agree with your foundation or to say it better I'm not sure if I believe where your(fornits) is coming from. I will elaborate at another time still formulating in the thoughts. It has been bugging me for months.

Danny
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2010, 12:48:43 AM »
LOL, Danny..

Someone extends a hand and you chop it off.

You really would get further if you would stop being such a dick.

Why do you feel the incessant need to prove how tough and resilient you are?

Danny, the all-powerful does not exist.  Why don t you just be yourself?

Ya know, most people here, think that you have secret hidden agenda.  I don't.

I don t even think you know why you are here.
There's nothing wrong with that.  You could just come out and admit it.

Don't tell me that I want to date you now.

You are the purple elephant in the room, in case you haven t noticed.  You attract a lot of people's attention.

But as long as you hate everybody so much, you are not gonna get anywhere. Just being honest again..

Paul
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2010, 12:59:05 AM »
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 01:18:43 AM »
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LOL, Danny..

Someone extends a hand and you chop it off.

You really would get further if you would stop being such a dick.

Why do you feel the incessant need to prove how tough and resilient you are?

Danny, the all-powerful does not exist.  Why don t you just be yourself?

Ya know, most people here, think that you have secret hidden agenda.  I don't.

I don t even think you know why you are here.
There's nothing wrong with that.  You could just come out and admit it.

Don't tell me that I want to date you now.

You are the purple elephant in the room, in case you haven t noticed.  You attract a lot of people's attention.

But as long as you hate everybody so much, you are not gonna get anywhere. Just being honest again..

Paul

Thanks there lill `johnny. Now how about a grown up perception. Remember perceptions there johnny. Your doing it again.

Danny
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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 06:47:13 AM »
Okay, how about an adult perception?

See, if you actually had anything to back up what you said, you would then go into what the adult perception would be.  But as usual you are not actually saying anything- only hurling insults.

Ya know Danny, age-bigotry is a terrible thing.  You have no idea the restraint that i have exercised with  you... because it would just be too easy.  You are dumb, and you are delicate.

and in case, you haven  t noticed, in a message board, perceptions are very important.. particularly, when you are talking to someone who is incapable of formulating sane thoughts, that others can understand, and then typing them.

It's your job to make people understand you. I mean.. you don t have to, if you don t want to, but you are only wasting your own time.
But hey, do what you like.  You are very entertaining.  I mostly get as kick out of your consistent lies, that are SO transparent, I cannot even believe that a grown man, is attempting to pass them off as truth.

I have to go back to what I said originally. Nothing that you are doing here, is going to amount to anything.  You are not ready, and may never be, to take on Elan. But hey that s just my perspective.

Paul
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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2010, 09:47:28 AM »
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Okay, how about an adult perception?

See, if you actually had anything to back up what you said, you would then go into what the adult perception would be.  But as usual you are not actually saying anything- only hurling insults.

Ya know Danny, age-bigotry is a terrible thing.  You have no idea the restraint that i have exercised with  you... because it would just be too easy.  You are dumb, and you are delicate.

and in case, you haven  t noticed, in a message board, perceptions are very important.. particularly, when you are talking to someone who is incapable of formulating sane thoughts, that others can understand, and then typing them.

It's your job to make people understand you. I mean.. you don t have to, if you don t want to, but you are only wasting your own time.
But hey, do what you like.  You are very entertaining.  I mostly get as kick out of your consistent lies, that are SO transparent, I cannot even believe that a grown man, is attempting to pass them off as truth.

I have to go back to what I said originally. Nothing that you are doing here, is going to amount to anything.  You are not ready, and may never be, to take on Elan. But hey that s just my perspective.

Paul


Lill johnny
Why would I have to explain the obvious. Your doing a good job dude here, move on. There are many more things here to do.

Danny
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Re: What do we call a programTeen student?prisoner?...
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2010, 07:23:11 PM »
So, I am going to try to say why I think identifying this terminology is integral to motivating any real change.  It is true that there are linkages to cults, gulags, mind control, thought reform, synanon, and other factors that just don’t get examined very deeply within mainstream society. I went to Cedu and it certainly would be fitting to find words that portray that experience.  The last suggestion I heard was ‘detainee’. It’s not like I don’t relate to that word, but the fact is that these programs are currently accepted institutions in our society as therapeutic communities. We can call them cults or gulags, and it may be a more accurate description in many cases, but it won’t make it true out in the world. The same goes for if we use words like ‘hostage’.  It’s not like we can’t talk about it that way in many circumstances, but we can’t deny that the generally accepted language holds that these are therapeutic communities, and as distorted as that may be it makes it real and that is what I’m trying to respond to.

The real situation that is created from the TTI (which I truly believe is becoming  a global epidemic) is kind of like this. Take 2 identical prisons. In one the person is called a prisoner, if they say they are imprisoned they will be told they are right. In the other ‘prison’ it is not called a prison and the person is not identified as a prisoner.  If they say they are imprisoned they will be told they are wrong, and that it is their choice to be there. As bizarre as it is this is the very commonly occurring context in the TTI in which the program becomes a living paradox for it’s … (I hope my word makes sense) Projectipants.

My view is that the TTI functions by hiding behind the veil of ‘therapy’, but when you begin to apply therapeutic terminology the definitions just don’t add up.  It is something is relatively new in it’s current evolution, it’s full of vague, distorted definitions of itself, and it’s full of unique phenomenon that are undeniably real and distinct but have no name.   I want definitions, if they want to give them or not.

Projectipant is not a real word, yet, but it is a real thing, and it was made real by them creating this previously unreal context.  It is impossible to deny that there are projectipants in programs, there is no way to tell who is genuinely choosing the therapy for their own personal growth and who is just going through the motions due to the variety of motivational factors utilized. It does not matter if you don’t want to do it, you are in therapy and you can’t escape that scrutiny. These insinuations that projectipants have developed ‘personal life goals’ and achieved ‘individual autonomy’ or were ‘failures’ in therapy are a blatant denial of reality.  

I know I sound like a parrot here, but I think Projectipant has a useful and proper function in today’s language.


Projectipant-  One who is viewed as a patient, and participant in therapy, as a result of projection from the therapeutic environment which has control over him.
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