Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Facility Question and Answers
Open Sky Wilderness in Colorado
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids" ---That wasn't on-topic, that was just more arguing with Whooter.
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Sorry it didn't meet with your expectations. It was pretty fucking heartfelt, from my standpoint.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids" ---Aaaaaaaand now the thread is completely derailed. Sad, you might as well just focus on the first two pages of this topic, it's toast from here on out.
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Ok...in all fairness, I did apologize for the threadjack but did bring it back around...
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I think it would help if you kept the focus on "Open Sky" and stuck with the facts. But I do appreciate that you recognized the derail.
Does anyone have first hand info on this place?
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DannyB II:
--- Quote ---"Pile of Dead Kids" Aaaaaaaand now the thread is completely derailed. Sad, you might as well just focus on the first two pages of this topic, it's toast from here on out.
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What more is there to say pile, she asked a question. You answered it many times over.
--- Quote --- 1. Hot damn that trucker was in ephebophile heaven.
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Your a sick dude, they could have ended up dead.
--- Quote --- 2. Danny admitting to recapturing kids for Elan is more than he's admitted before. At what point did they break you, Danny? At what point did you stop wanting to get away from it and start doing their bidding to bring more kids back?
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We all participated in tracking kids. This happened while I was still a resident. Matt also picked up kids as a resident, We fought in the ring, we screamed at people during a GM. You did what you were told.
--- Quote ---3. If two fifteen-year-old girls would rather stay with a 35-year-old trucker than go back to where they were living, something is obviously very, very wrong with where they were living. Quid erat fucking demonstratum
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What is sad here there parents were paying are expenses, they knew their girls did not want to be there but they did not give a shit. They did not want them home nor did the girls want to go home. No they did not want to be in Elan who did, really.
Stop being obnoxious Pile lets call it a day.
Danny
Anne Bonney:
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I think it would help if you kept the focus on "Open Sky" and stuck with the facts. But I do appreciate that you recognized the derail.
Does anyone have first hand info on this place?
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You got it....here, back on track...
--- Quote from: "Oz girl" ---Open sky is run by Emily Demong her bio said she got her start at aspen acheivement academy. The admissions counsellor Lauren Lollini also worked at aac at the time british brat camp was filmed. This place has a long history of disturbing incidents. One boy tried to hang himself. Another incident involved some boys running away and wandering alone in the utah desert in the dangerously hot summer months for days. The british version of brat camp also depicted one girl getting into a an argument with her admissions counsellors and throwing her shoe at them in temper. The response was for 2 women twice her size to wrestle her to the ground. When she cried out in pain one woman pushed her arm further up her back to show her what "real pain" was. The same series also showed another uncooperative girl being subjected to their "pain compliance technique" which consisted of giving her Chinese burns till she became obedient. This girl was obviously pretty stubborn because they said it went on for a couple of hours. This was the stuff they were willing to be open about. I cant imagine what they do to kids behind closed doors. You say your daughter is acting out due to trauma. Some of the more confronting therapies may exacerbate this. This could potentially lead to physical abuse. Ask the staff a lot of questions about what their time at aspen achievement academy taught them as professionals. Then ask why they condoned the practices of a place that uses pain compliance and see what they say.
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DannyB II:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---.
I think it would help if you kept the focus on "Open Sky" and stuck with the facts. But I do appreciate that you recognized the derail.
Does anyone have first hand info on this place?
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You got it....here, back on track...
--- Quote from: "Oz girl" ---Open sky is run by Emily Demong her bio said she got her start at aspen acheivement academy. The admissions counsellor Lauren Lollini also worked at aac at the time british brat camp was filmed. This place has a long history of disturbing incidents. One boy tried to hang himself. Another incident involved some boys running away and wandering alone in the utah desert in the dangerously hot summer months for days. The british version of brat camp also depicted one girl getting into a an argument with her admissions counsellors and throwing her shoe at them in temper. The response was for 2 women twice her size to wrestle her to the ground. When she cried out in pain one woman pushed her arm further up her back to show her what "real pain" was. The same series also showed another uncooperative girl being subjected to their "pain compliance technique" which consisted of giving her Chinese burns till she became obedient. This girl was obviously pretty stubborn because they said it went on for a couple of hours. This was the stuff they were willing to be open about. I cant imagine what they do to kids behind closed doors. You say your daughter is acting out due to trauma. Some of the more confronting therapies may exacerbate this. This could potentially lead to physical abuse. Ask the staff a lot of questions about what their time at aspen achievement academy taught them as professionals. Then ask why they condoned the practices of a place that uses pain compliance and see what they say.
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My answer/question again Anne why is it a disturbance or abuse for someone to run away from a place whether in Utah or Maine, or Rhode Island for that matter. I'm sure you ran away from home, I know I did.
Just asking....
My post again:
OK OZ 1974 I was at marathon House in Newport R.I. I ran away from there and wandered around for 2 days. I slept in a newspaper bin for both nights and hung out with some drunks and drank cheap wine. I knew the cops were looking for me so whenever a cop car came around I hid. This was in November, it is pretty cold in Newe England in November. Is this a disturbing incident, Elan had people run away and wander in the northern woods of Maine and there they sent out "trackers" many trackers to find you. Is that a blessing. I while at Elan went all the way to Oceola, Iowa to pick up two girls that were insisting on staying with this trucker who had picked them up in Mass. This was against their will they were 15yrs the trucker was 35 or so.
They were spotted at a truck stop and the cops came. They lied about there ages and wanted to stay with him.
Now is all of this the cause of a program. How much do we pile on.
Danny
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