Boy raped at WestCare-Georgia Intensive RTC

[Anne Bonney]

This is what my point is, Anne. lol  I can say that someone implied Basketball is abusive and that catches your eye, but you accept “at face value” someone implying that a coroner is bribed or coerced and that gets a pass.

It shows how one sided you think.  You cant see that?

No, I sort of dismissed the bribery of a coroner as reaching.  I "accepted" nothing.  But, par for the course for you, you insisted on attempting to make it seem as if I "gave it a pass".

[Ursus]

I read the report twice and here is what we know from it:

That was Saturday night. Two days later, the victim reported what happened to a therapist.
He noted that the victim waited two days to report it and cited conflicting statements in his account, but said the company alerted Juvenile Justice, DFCS and police anyway.
"The investigation did not substantiate any negligence on their part," said Rob Rosenbloom, deputy commissioner for Community Services and Intake, "and we believe the children are still safe there."

From what I have read about  synanon they would not readily notify outside authorities or have therapists.  These were not even conflicts with the staff…..I don't see how this was handled poorly at all or how this reflects a model based on Synanon.  If you think I am missing something point it out to me, but I don’t see it based on this report.

What you (twice) refer to as a "report" ... is actually a newspaper article. Just wanna make sure we're clear on this.

[Ursus]

Richard Steinberg has been the CEO of WestCare since 1979 (i.e., for the past 31 years, in case ya just happened to gloss over that). Here's his bio from the Nevada Attorney General's website, color emphasis added:

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Governor's working Group on Methamphetamine Use Members
Richard Steinberg, CEO of WestCare Nevada



For years, Richard (Dick) Steinberg has dedicated his life toward "uplifting the human spirit" by helping people build better lives. As a clinical specialist in the U.S. Army Medical Corps in South Vietnam, Dick demonstrated leadership abilities early in his career. In addition to supervising personnel, facilities, and health programs, Dick also developed substance abuse treatment programs for the troops and medical civic action projects in the villages.

Since 1979, Richard E. Steinberg has been President/CEO of WestCare and is responsible for developing a management team to operate all aspects of the respective agencies including, board development, program design and implementation, fiscal and legal matters, treatment protocols, resource development, and community relationships. Under his tenure as President/CEO of WestCare, WestCare has grown from a small treatment center in Las Vegas, Nevada, into one of the largest nonprofit substance abuse and mental health treatment organizations in the United States. Over the years, Dick expanded the agency to meet the growing needs for education and prevention services. WestCare now operates programs in seven states and off shore: Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, and Nevada, as well as the U.S. Virgin Islands. Dick's insight into substance abuse and mental health treatment programs has prompted several communities across the country to model programs after WestCare.

Mr. Steinberg has demonstrated his expertise and knowledge of providing mental health, substance abuse treatment and recovery services and the benefits of the Therapeutic Community treatment modality in working with diverse populations through the variety of services developed under his leadership. Mr. Steinberg has made significant contributions to professional organizations in order to promote research and efforts to improve the quality of services for mentally ill and chemically dependent individuals and their families. He is a founding member of California Therapeutic Communities (CTC) and past Vice Chairman; Immediate Past President, after serving four years as President, of Therapeutic Communities of America (TCA); member of the American Correctional Association, the National Association of Drug and Alcohol Counselors and the Nevada Association of Drug and Alcohol Programs, Western States Youth Services Network, the World Federation of Therapeutic Communities, and the International Council on Alcohol and Addictions; has served as an appointed member of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT) National Advisory Council as well as appointed to the Forensic Addictions Corrections Treatment (FACT) Board for the University of California San Diego Medical School. As President/CEO of WestCare, Mr. Steinberg has had prolonged and direct management experience with Therapeutic Communities, mental health and community-based substance abuse treatment programs, and treatment and recovery programs for specialized populations.

Mr. Steinberg received his Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from California State University, Long Beach, and a Master of Science in Rehabilitation Counseling from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. In addition to his academic training, Mr. Steinberg holds certification as a Substance Abuse Program Administrator from the Nevada Bureau of Alcohol and Drug Abuse.
 

©2010 Nevada Attorney General

[Whooter]

I read the report twice and here is what we know from it:

That was Saturday night. Two days later, the victim reported what happened to a therapist.
He noted that the victim waited two days to report it and cited conflicting statements in his account, but said the company alerted Juvenile Justice, DFCS and police anyway.
"The investigation did not substantiate any negligence on their part," said Rob Rosenbloom, deputy commissioner for Community Services and Intake, "and we believe the children are still safe there."

From what I have read about  synanon they would not readily notify outside authorities or have therapists.  These were not even conflicts with the staff…..I don't see how this was handled poorly at all or how this reflects a model based on Synanon.  If you think I am missing something point it out to me, but I don’t see it based on this report.

What you (twice) refer to as a "report" ... is actually a newspaper article. Just wanna make sure we're clear on this.

I am just quoting what the article stated... so it is a report. Unless there is something I am missing...  Not sure why that bothers you so much... if someone reports something than I consider it a report.  If it is stated in a newspaper, magazine or on the back of a napkin I think it should still be considered a report if that is what the victim did.  If it were hearsay then I would have stated hearsay.



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[Whooter]

Richard Steinberg has been the CEO of WestCare since 1979 (i.e., for the past 31 years, in case ya just happened to gloss over that).

 Therapeutic Community treatment modality

Mr. Steinberg received his Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from California State University, Long Beach, and a Master of Science in Rehabilitation Counseling from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. In addition to his academic training, Mr. Steinberg holds certification as a Substance Abuse Program Administrator from the Nevada Bureau of Alcohol and Drug Abuse.

Thanks Ursus, that is impressive.  I didn't see that.  I can see that he has been well educated also.



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[DannyB II]

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

Richard Steinberg has been the CEO of WestCare since 1979 (i.e., for the past 31 years, in case ya just happened to gloss over that). Here's his bio from the Nevada Attorney General's website, color emphasis added:

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Governor's working Group on Methamphetamine Use Members
Richard Steinberg, CEO of WestCare Nevada



For years, Richard (Dick) Steinberg has dedicated his life toward "uplifting the human spirit" by helping people build better lives. As a clinical specialist in the U.S. Army Medical Corps in South Vietnam, Dick demonstrated leadership abilities early in his career. In addition to supervising personnel, facilities, and health programs, Dick also developed substance abuse treatment programs for the troops and medical civic action projects in the villages.

Since 1979, Richard E. Steinberg has been President/CEO of WestCare and is responsible for developing a management team to operate all aspects of the respective agencies including, board development, program design and implementation, fiscal and legal matters, treatment protocols, resource development, and community relationships. Under his tenure as President/CEO of WestCare, WestCare has grown from a small treatment center in Las Vegas, Nevada, into one of the largest nonprofit substance abuse and mental health treatment organizations in the United States. Over the years, Dick expanded the agency to meet the growing needs for education and prevention services. WestCare now operates programs in seven states and off shore: Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, and Nevada, as well as the U.S. Virgin Islands. Dick's insight into substance abuse and mental health treatment programs has prompted several communities across the country to model programs after WestCare.

Mr. Steinberg has demonstrated his expertise and knowledge of providing mental health, substance abuse treatment and recovery services and the benefits of the Therapeutic Community treatment modality in working with diverse populations through the variety of services developed under his leadership. Mr. Steinberg has made significant contributions to professional organizations in order to promote research and efforts to improve the quality of services for mentally ill and chemically dependent individuals and their families. He is a founding member of California Therapeutic Communities (CTC) and past Vice Chairman; Immediate Past President, after serving four years as President, of Therapeutic Communities of America (TCA); member of the American Correctional Association, the National Association of Drug and Alcohol Counselors and the Nevada Association of Drug and Alcohol Programs, Western States Youth Services Network, the World Federation of Therapeutic Communities, and the International Council on Alcohol and Addictions; has served as an appointed member of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT) National Advisory Council as well as appointed to the Forensic Addictions Corrections Treatment (FACT) Board for the University of California San Diego Medical School. As President/CEO of WestCare, Mr. Steinberg has had prolonged and direct management experience with Therapeutic Communities, mental health and community-based substance abuse treatment programs, and treatment and recovery programs for specialized populations.

Mr. Steinberg received his Bachelor of Arts Degree in Psychology from California State University, Long Beach, and a Master of Science in Rehabilitation Counseling from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. In addition to his academic training, Mr. Steinberg holds certification as a Substance Abuse Program Administrator from the Nevada Bureau of Alcohol and Drug Abuse.
 

©2010 Nevada Attorney General

Ursus I you still trying to prove this is a TC, Well all righty then. It still does not make that facility in Georgia with State Juvie kids a TC, sorry. This is a warehouse for kids, I know the report said he went to his therapist to explain the incident, well I was also referred to as a therapist at 17yrs old @ Elan when I was working there. That doesn't make me a therapist though now does it.


Danny

[Whooter]

Ursus I you still trying to prove this is a TC, Well all righty then. It still does not make that facility in Georgia with State Juvie kids a TC, sorry. This is a warehouse for kids, I know the report said he went to his therapist to explain the incident, well I was also referred to as a therapist at 17yrs old @ Elan when I was working there. That doesn't make me a therapist though now does it.


Danny

No, from what I have read I agree, the place is far from being a TC.  I think Ursus is trying to tie it back somehow to Synanon.  Typically if he can find a person Stienberg had dinner with or he worked with who had ties to synanon or if Steinberg himself was involved early on then he would feel that is enough evidence to say WestCare-Georgia is Synanon based.

Its like trying to make the argument that 2010 Ford mustangs have no airbags and 8 track tape systems and lousy gas mileage because the CEO has been there since the 1970’s.

Any one of us can sit here and speculate but until we drive over to the dealership and take a look none of us really knows for sure.  The same applies to West Care-Georgia.



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[DannyB II]

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

Ursus I you still trying to prove this is a TC, Well all righty then. It still does not make that facility in Georgia with State Juvie kids a TC, sorry. This is a warehouse for kids, I know the report said he went to his therapist to explain the incident, well I was also referred to as a therapist at 17yrs old @ Elan when I was working there. That doesn't make me a therapist though now does it.

Whooter wrote:
No, from what I have read I agree, the place is far from being a TC.  I think Ursus is trying to tie it back somehow to Synanon.  Typically if he can find a person Stienberg had dinner with or he worked with who had ties to synanon or if Steinberg himself was involved early on then he would feel that is enough evidence to say WestCare-Georgia is Synanon based.

Its like trying to make the argument that 2010 Ford mustangs have no airbags and 8 track tape systems and lousy gas mileage because the CEO has been there since the 1970’s.

Any one of us can sit here and speculate but until we drive over to the dealership and take a look none of us really knows for sure.  The same applies to West Care-Georgia.

 

DannyB II wrote:
Like if it was a treatment center it would legitimize the abuse more and if Synanon was responsible for this program existence well then that would be tantamount to a conviction.
Ursus I am not trying to be a ass ( I don't have to it comes naturally....lol) but what is your point, is it that they are a treatment center with their unique modalities, OK. That WestCare-Georgia birthed itself from Synanon once again, OK.
The article was about a rape at a facility at the Georgia WestCare facility with juvie residents, not about the genesis of WestCare. I thought we were trying to dig into that story and if this goes on at other facilities.  

Danny

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[Ursus]

Like if it was a treatment center it would legitimize the abuse more and if Synanon was responsible for this program existence well then that would be tantamount to a conviction.
Ursus I am not trying to be a ass ( I don't have to it comes naturally....lol) but what is your point, is it that they are a treatment center with their unique modalities, OK. That WestCare-Georgia birthed itself from Synanon once again, OK.
The article was about a rape at a facility at the Georgia WestCare facility with juvie residents, not about the genesis of WestCare. I thought we were trying to dig into that story and if this goes on at other facilities.

I'm not trying to say they are a treatment facility which is a replica of Synanon. Just wanna be clear 'bout that. But they do do business with Amity Foundation, and may have in one form or another over the years as well. The machinations and manuevers of Amity over the years does not impress me as being too squeaky clean, if ya get what I mean. Organizations that start out corrupt as all hell, don't tend to become magically above reproach in their later years. Where WestCare got the TC modality from might be of some interest whether you like it or not. Incidentally, at least one of those TC organizations under Steinberg's belt is the same one Father O'Brien and David Dietch from Daytop is heavily involved with. Jus' sayin'.

Ya know how some politicians do something with one hand, and then something with the other to seemingly compensate? Ever wonder how the availability of hard drugs in this country greatly increased after 1971? What was Nixon up to? And what really did happen to Jimmy Hoffa?

[DannyB II]

:shamrock:  :shamrock:  

Like if it was a treatment center it would legitimize the abuse more and if Synanon was responsible for this program existence well then that would be tantamount to a conviction.
Ursus I am not trying to be a ass ( I don't have to it comes naturally....lol) but what is your point, is it that they are a treatment center with their unique modalities, OK. That WestCare-Georgia birthed itself from Synanon once again, OK.
The article was about a rape at a facility at the Georgia WestCare facility with juvie residents, not about the genesis of WestCare. I thought we were trying to dig into that story and if this goes on at other facilities.

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Ursus wrote:
I'm not trying to say they are a treatment facility which is a replica of Synanon. Just wanna be clear 'bout that. But they do do business with Amity Foundation, and may have in one form or another over the years as well. The machinations and manuevers of Amity over the years does not impress me as being too squeaky clean, if ya get what I mean. Organizations that start out corrupt as all hell, don't tend to become magically above reproach in their later years. Where WestCare got the TC modality from might be of some interest whether you like it or not. Incidentally, at least one of those TC organizations under Steinberg's belt is the same one Father O'Brien and David Dietch from Daytop is heavily involved with. Jus' sayin'

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Danny wrote:
I am not sure still what you are trying to tell me with all of this. I can read I know the obvious. But why?? I wanted you to find more on this rape, how could something like this happen in a facility today. Four guys holding down a resident so they can insert a plunger up his behind. That had to take what 20 -30 mins nobody saw anything.....eh hem....bullshit.

Ursus wrote:
Ya know how some politicians do something with one hand, and then something with the other to seemingly compensate? Ever wonder how the availability of hard drugs in this country greatly increased after 1971? What was Nixon up to? And what really did happen to Jimmy Hoffa?

Danny wrote:
The ole` yankee two step, drugs being transported by US aircraft, "Golden Triangle" Vietnam....Afghanistan Opium trade through Russia and other countries up 70% since America in middle east. Jimmy Hoffa is busy running a Union com'on man, Oh that's Jr. The other one is looking up in Giants Stadium.  [/quote]

Danny

[Ursus]

WestCare is known throughout Georgia as a warehouse for criminals with very little rehab, how else could 4 goons manage to wrestle a dude down and shove a stick up his behind. Nobody heard this or saw this, where were the cameras ect....

how could something like this happen in a facility today. Four guys holding down a resident so they can insert a plunger up his behind. That had to take what 20 -30 mins nobody saw anything.....eh hem....bullshit.

How could this happen? Gee... might that have something to do with the possibility that the place might be as corrupt as the day is long? That the term "warehouse" is more than merely pejorative?

Maybe, for all we know, the founding of this place had more to do with it being a public relations front or a dolled-up laundromat for some characters who sure could use some cleansing.  ...All the while and all in the name of ostensibly waging a "war on drugs" and crime.

Just whose pockets and whose bank accounts got enriched by this place? And whose continue to be so well fed?

[Whooter]

How could this happen? Gee... might that have something to do with the possibility that the place might be as corrupt as the day is long? That the term "warehouse" is more than merely pejorative?

I don’t see how you can say the program was corrupt.  The kid was raped by his own roommates.   They waited for the staff to change shifts and then the boys attacked him.  

Maybe, for all we know, the founding of this place had more to do with it being a public relations front or a dolled-up laundromat for some characters who sure could use some cleansing. ...All the while and all in the name of ostensibly waging a "war on drugs" and crime.

Sure it could be, the place could be totally corrupt but the report says that it had nothing to do with the program.  He was attacked by his own roommates.

Just whose pockets and whose bank accounts got enriched by this place? And whose continue to be so well fed?

I don’t see where anyone profited off of this boy being abused.  I read back over the article twice and no one made a dime.  In fact they lost money because the boy left and that means that WestCare will not be receiving funding for him anymore.  So they didn’t profit at all, they lost money.  So WestCare had no motive at all.



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[DannyB II]

WestCare is known throughout Georgia as a warehouse for criminals with very little rehab, how else could 4 goons manage to wrestle a dude down and shove a stick up his behind. Nobody heard this or saw this, where were the cameras ect....

how could something like this happen in a facility today. Four guys holding down a resident so they can insert a plunger up his behind. That had to take what 20 -30 mins nobody saw anything.....eh hem....bullshit.

How could this happen? Gee... might that have something to do with the possibility that the place might be as corrupt as the day is long? That the term "warehouse" is more than merely pejorative?


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Maybe, for all we know, the founding of this place had more to do with it being a public relations front or a dolled-up laundromat for some characters who sure could use some cleansing.  ...All the while and all in the name of ostensibly waging a "war on drugs" and crime.

Just whose pockets and whose bank accounts got enriched by this place? And whose continue to be so well fed?

DannyB II wrote:
I thinks I am going to do a little more snooping around to find out exactly what political wagon is being funded by this shame.
Your right Ursus somebody is getting "paid" besides the obvious.
I'll be back.

Danny

[Whooter]

I thinks I am going to do a little more snooping around to find out exactly what political wagon is being funded by this shame.
Your right Ursus somebody is getting "paid" besides the obvious.
I'll be back.

That would be great info, Danny. If you could find evidence that this boy was raped for monetary gain then that would really change the discussion. So far from all the articles that are available it seems like the kid was raped by his roommates and that West-Care called the authorities as soon as they found out.
If you have some inside info that could add more light to this that would be great!



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