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Boy raped at WestCare-Georgia Intensive RTC
DannyB II:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I read the report twice and here is what we know from it:
That was Saturday night. Two days later, the victim reported what happened to a therapist.
He noted that the victim waited two days to report it and cited conflicting statements in his account, but said the company alerted Juvenile Justice, DFCS and police anyway.
"The investigation did not substantiate any negligence on their part," said Rob Rosenbloom, deputy commissioner for Community Services and Intake, "and we believe the children are still safe there."
From what I have read about synanon they would not readily notify outside authorities or have therapists. These were not even conflicts with the staff…..I don’t see how this was handled poorly at all or how this reflects a model based on Synanon. If you think I am missing something point it out to me, but I don’t see it based on this report.
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Whooter I am not concerned about synanon or any similarities (jesus would folks get off that dead horse). What I am concerned about is why that young 16 year old did not tell anyone for 2 days. Shit if you were held up in a place like this you would think twice about telling anyone and if you did you would be pretty nervous and embarrassed explaining the incident.
Folks these are criminals from juvie who they (Program) think have a shot a rehab, what that means is they behaved in juvie got a ticket to a less militant facility, they are jumping for joy. Food is better, beds are better ect....Fun time.
Children are never safe in a facility like this for obvious reasons, the clientele. These incidents are happening constantly, it is called bullying. The status of a individual or plural is of most importance with the juvie population gets you ready for prison life, the big time. How many treatments centers in the last 20 years have had a incident like this, this is "gangsta" shit.
That is what "I" thought you were missing.
Danny
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Whooter I am not concerned about synanon or any similarities (jesus would folks get off that dead horse).
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That was Ursus, not you.
--- Quote ---What I am concerned about is why that young 16 year old did not tell anyone for 2 days. Shit if you were held up in a place like this you would think twice about telling anyone and if you did you would be pretty nervous and embarrassed explaining the incident.
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Maybe he was embarrassed like you said and wanted to wait to tell his therapist.
--- Quote ---Folks these are criminals from juvie who they (Program) think have a shot a rehab, what that means is they behaved in juvie got a ticket to a less militant facility, they are jumping for joy. Food is better, beds are better ect....Fun time.
Children are never safe in a facility like this for obvious reasons, the clientele. These incidents are happening constantly, it is called bullying. The status of a individual or plural is of most importance with the juvie population gets you ready for prison life, the big time. How many treatments centers in the last 20 years have had a incident like this, this is "gangsta" shit.
That is what "I" thought you were missing.
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I know some of these places are tough and basically warehouses. I just don’t understand why there is a need to say it is a cult, or is run like synanon when the signs are not there. Some people are obsessed with the whole perception that all these places conduct brainwashing on the kids. Some places may do that, I don’t know. But we at least need to produce some evidence or understand the thinking a little more before taking that position.
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DannyB II:
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I know some of these places are tough and basically warehouses. I just don’t understand why there is a need to say it is a cult, or is run like synanon when the signs are not there. Some people are obsessed with the whole perception that all these places conduct brainwashing on the kids. Some places may do that, I don’t know. But we at least need to produce some evidence or understand the thinking a little more before taking that position.
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Danny wrote:
Because there first thought when they/we hear treatment center is cult the mere word TC is a trigger. You know that from being around survivors, Whooter. Object of the debate don't hit the trigger. Then will have a better conversation. The Genesis "Synanon" makes me want to vomit. It is gone and we have to let it go.
There is always going to be some degree of conditioning, training, educating going on in these programs, the deal is don't force it on people to a point that it stops educating and starts dehumanizing.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Thanks, Ursus, I think the article makes it clear that they don't utilize any Synanon methods (at this facility anyway). It appears to be an isolated incident according to the article:
According to the department's statistics on the center, this is the only youth-on-youth sexual act, abusive or not, that has occurred under WestCare.
The boy had access to a therapist who reported it.. and the school notified the authorities as soon as they heard…… this is not Synanon behavior.
I think many times we read into the various connections a little too much (or too quickly) which can be misleading.
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Sorry, Whooter, I didn't post the article in response to your previous post, I simply posted it.
Moreover, I really don't see where or how you come to the conclusions that you've stated here. You seem overly eager to rationalize away any incidents of abuse as incidental or one-time-only, and to take the word of program operators as gospel when it comes to ascertaining whatever goes on in their program. Don't ya think there just might be some possible self-interest involved ... in their downplaying this incident as much as possible?
Anne Bonney:
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Moreover, I really don't see where or how you come to the conclusions that you've stated here. You seem overly eager to rationalize away any incidents of abuse as incidental or one-time-only, and to take the word of program operators as gospel when it comes to ascertaining whatever goes on in their program.
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Yep. That and his constant use of "we can gather", "we see from this", "we can assume", "we have learned"......to confuse or distract the reader, as if "we" agree with him.
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