***Deborah - you make no sense to me at all! Personal effects, etc? They clearly shot that video AFTER the place was destroyed by the renegade teens. WHY would there be any personal effects?
The sleeping quarters were not destroyed, the beds were made and there was nothing on the floor. There were only bunk beds that looked like they were constructed of used lumber. The kids were packed in like sardines with a small walkway. No pictures on the wall, no personal space or personal effects. There was no place for personal effects if they had any, no storage. That might be okay in your mind, but those conditions would not fly with any reasonable state regulator, or any reasonable parent. BTW, the teens shown leaving Dundee were not carrying anything.
**So what if there were 12 or 15 kids in the room?
So what? You obviously have been duped regarding what is and is not humane treatment. Seems to me that you are "choosing" not to acknowledge what is blatantly wrong with this scenerio. 12-15 in a larger room may not be so bad, although I think there are limits on that as well. The issue was the size of space they had 12-15 in. It wouldn't fly here. It violates Safety and Health codes.
**They chose to not appreciate what they had at home, so...too bad, so,sad. Your filters look for the negative.
And you perceive a hell-hole concentration camp for teens as acceptable, positive. You apparently have bought the party line that says teens deserve to be treated inhumanely because they "CHOSE to not appreciate what they had at home". Is that what all you program parents are really pissed about? So after 2 years in a concentration camp they'll certainly return and "appreciate" what you have to offer. Is that how it works?
And the use of the word CHOSE. Very cleverly designed propoganda for turning parents against their kids. It implies that the child is totally conscious of the "choices" they are making and at fault. This is wrong thinking, but does serve the purpose of dividing and conquering, and justifying "extreme austere measures". Hold the child accountable and let the parent off the hook. Cause after all, if they are consciously choosing to be inappreciative, they deserve to be banished to hell for a reality check. Right?
**Is it fun being you?
It is. Is that something that is drilled into ya'll in seminar? Seems you or another anon has asked that same question before. Everytime I hear it I envision a nine yr old asking it. I interpret it as an indirect communication. I think you resent me and just don't know how to express it.
***Though it would be hard to find anything positive in that story,you've taken it levels lower in your own mind.
Levels lower, no, just viewing it and comparing it to what is considered reasonable, sane, and humane treatment by state regulators and the majority of Americans who don't hate teens. It may be hard to find anything positive because there isn't anything. I know you and others would prefer that they just interview parents and grads without going inside the facility.
I for one, would prefer to "see" their BM techniques in action. I would like to see how they restrain and for what reasons, what actually happens in OP, etc. I don't believe a parent could watch it happening to their child and decide it was appropriate treatment. As long as it's out-of-sight-out-of-mind, and there are other program parents repeating the mantra, "trust the program", parents won't know unless it is exposed. In that regard, the piece was extremely positive.
If the torture techniques work so well, and the "success rate" is so high, why not let the world in on the technique. Perhaps others would be supportive when they saw the technique being applied. Perhaps scholars would do extensive research and raise BM to a new level...beyond punishment and reward to actual torture. If there's nothing to hide and everything's above board, then let an outsider in to document this "revolutionary" treatment for so-called defiant, struggling, unapprecitive teens.
There is nothing revolutionary about torture, and anyone who knows anything about the methods knows why "it works".
