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Valley View School Abuse
Whooter:
Joel, I believe CEDU shut down, ancient history. I wouldn’t want to go through any of that crap anyway, who would? If my parents had threatened to send me to a program it would have been a wake up call for me. Lots of abuse occurs in this world and when it happens it is up to the individual to report it. Otherwise they are allowing other kids to get abused by their silence.
What bugs me is when people come on here and say that xyz program was abusive and then fail to go to the police or name names so others will not be abused by that person also. If they are keeping quiet it is usually because they made the story up because they are pissed at the school or trying to just get attention to fit in here on fornits.
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Ursus:
I cannot vouch for the OP of this thread nor the specifics of the claims since I don't know the OP nor, for that matter, Valley View School to any significant degree. But some of your generalizations regarding the occurrence and the reporting of abuse, Whooter, are simply ignorant and inflammatory.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---There has always been a long time issue with credibility with many posts here. We read about people saying they were abused in a program but when asked to name the person that abused them they clam up. This is a huge red flag indicating that the statement wasn’t true. It’s a fairly good acid test which has withstood the test of time.
If the statements are true then there is no need to worry about posting them.
--- End quote ---
What you aver is false, and doesn't comport with what is known about long term trauma experienced by victims of sexual abuse.
In fact, these types of abuses, particularly when perpetrated in an environment where a group of peers can be recruited to protect the interests of the perpetrator or the institution in which it occurred, carry a tremendous burden of shame and fear about coming forward. These red flags you speak of speak more of that shame and fear than they do about the alleged falsehood of said claims.
This is particularly true when the institution in question carries a certain ideological clout, as with an institution of religious worship and, yes, even a program of education which claims to aspire to higher ideals of ethics and morality than your standard public school. It is not uncommon for victims of clergy abuse to wait 30-40 years before bringing their case to the public in some fashion or another.
Moreover, there is often a great deal to worry about when it comes to posting true statements about perpetrators and abusers. There have been incidents of cyber-stalking, actual physical stalking, rumor mongering retaliation, in addition to angry perps or their defenders contacting victims through their employer and instilling fear of losing the continuation of one's livelihood into the bargain. There have even been incidents of spurious lawsuits brought about in the hopes of intimidating victims into silence based not on fact nor false claims, but for the sole purpose of intimidation and harassment.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---...I believe CEDU shut down, ancient history. I wouldn’t want to go through any of that crap anyway, who would?
--- End quote ---
Lol. What do you call Monarch School? Boulder Creek Academy? Carlbrook School? Benchmark?
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Lots of abuse occurs in this world and when it happens it is up to the individual to report it. Otherwise they are allowing other kids to get abused by their silence.
--- End quote ---
Pretty sanctimonious of you, don't you think? Sounds to me like you've never walked in those shoes yourself... How easy it is to judge, when you're not a kid with the whole world, including your parents, against you, eh?
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---What bugs me is when people come on here and say that xyz program was abusive and then fail to go to the police or name names so others will not be abused by that person also.
--- End quote ---
What makes you think they didn't go to the police? Sometimes it doesn't exactly do a hell of a lot of anything! A lot of these programs have the local sheriff right in their pocket. The sheriff in Bath, Maine, has a placard right over his desk on the wall: "Truth Over Harmony." What a joke.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---If they are keeping quiet it is usually because they made the story up because they are pissed at the school or trying to just get attention to fit in here on fornits.
--- End quote ---
Whine, whine, whine...
Eliscu2:
What Joel and Ursus said AND.......
Try telling anyone about a place hidden in the woods of Maine.
Try telling everybody about the things that happend at ELAN.
I told and I told.
What did I get?
5 Labels and 7 FORCED medications.
My Daughters got molested and abused in Foster Care for 9.5 years.
See what happens when you piss off peopl with Money, Power and Influence. YOUR FUCKED!
Ask Michael Skaekel what happens when you piss off the wrong Family.
Eva and Avery Eliscu own 4 homes in 3 Countries, but they were too busy to take the Grandkids.
They could have "hired-help" 24/7 but no.....
They would pick them up and show them off for special occasions and then send them right back to HELL.
Meet Eva Eliscu-Ediquitte Expert and World Traveler: http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3WjozUCsU
She married my Father and send ALL of US to a PROGRAM....then re-decorated the house.
The people who worked at ELAN are STILL THERE TODAY...SAME PEOPLE.
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