Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Valley View School Abuse
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Eliscu2" ---Whooty, you are a troll. I can not speak for all programs and I do not.
You being the troll that you are seem to defend them all.
You even defend the "treatment" at JRC.............................THE WORST HELLHOLE.
Perhaps you need a little trip to GITMO to get yourself some empathy.
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People with an open mind and an ability to think independently really ruffles your feathers that much, Eliscu2? I mentioned several times during the discussion that I wasn’t an advocate of Shock Therapy. I was just trying to understand the facts. But it seems the facts scare you. Why is that? Why do you feel unsafe when people speak openly and examine both sides of the issue or disagree with you? Why label these people trolls or programmies because they think or act differently? Does it give you a sense of security putting someone else down? If I were a graduate of a program speaking this way you would label me brainwashed or indoctrinated. Why not accept more than one point of view and defend your views openly if you feel strongly about it. There is nothing wrong with being different and stepping beyond the group think here and being yourself. No one will punish you for it. If there are 100 people in the room we should get 100 different perspectives on the same problem. Its unnatural for everyone to feel the need to think the same way (as they do here on fornits).
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Eliscu2:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Eliscu2" ---Whooty, you are a troll. I can not speak for all programs and I do not.
You being the troll that you are seem to defend them all.
You even defend the "treatment" at JRC.............................THE WORST HELLHOLE.
Perhaps you need a little trip to GITMO to get yourself some empathy.
--- End quote ---
People with an open mind and an ability to think independently really ruffles your feathers that much, Eliscu2? I mentioned several times during the discussion that I wasn’t an advocate of Shock Therapy. I was just trying to understand the facts. But it seems the facts scare you. Why is that? Why do you feel unsafe when people speak openly and examine both sides of the issue or disagree with you? Why label these people trolls or programmies because they think or act differently? Does it give you a sense of security putting someone else down? If I were a graduate of a program speaking this way you would label me brainwashed or indoctrinated. Why not accept more than one point of view and defend your views openly if you feel strongly about it. There is nothing wrong with being different and stepping beyond the group think here and being yourself. No one will punish you for it. If there are 100 people in the room we should get 100 different perspectives on the same problem. Its unnatural for everyone to feel the need to think the same way (as they do here on fornits).
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I have been brainwashed by the fornits cult.
I am powerless over my own thoughts.
I have found Jesus! (he was under my bed this whole time)
Jesus smelled really bad and the only reason I found him was because of the stench.
Jesus told me I should love everyone ESPECIALLY people like you Whooty.
Jesus said that if I did everything he said and stayed away from ::evil:: fornits ::evil:: I could go to church tomorrow morning and be part of the second comming.
I told him I was Jewish and he said that's o.k., I'm Jewish too.
I asked him how he could be G-d and just a Jewish guy at the same time.
He changed the subject on me.
He told me everything written in that book was either taken out of context or absolutely false.
I said "I can relate"
I asked him why I had to follow a book that was total bullshit and stay away from fornits.
He said he was testing me.
I asked him why.
He said he likes to play games.
Every time I tried to ask him a direct question he would distract me or cause some kind of diversion.
Jesus and I played all day long and when we were done I killed him.
I just figured it was about time I thought for myself.
My very first thought that I have had all by myself since discovering fornits!
My first real thought of my own was "Kill Jesus".
Now Jesus is dead and will not be saving anybody.
It took me hours to clean up the mess!
This is why I don't listen to my own thoughts.
Whooter:
Didnt mean to upset you that much, Eliscu2. Just asking you to keep an open mind and try to step out of the group position here. Life doesnt have to black and white. You can be religious or non-religious and still hold (or agree on) the same perspective on many discussions here. No need to label everyone, thats all I'm saying.
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Eliscu2:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Didnt mean to upset you that much, Eliscu2. Just asking you to keep an open mind and try to step out of the group position here. Life doesnt have to black and white. You can be religious or non-religious and still hold (or agree on) the same perspective on many discussions here. No need to label everyone, thats all I'm saying.
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Hey Whooty I think I did agree with you once.
Right here on this very thread.
.....way back when we were talking about Valley View School abuse.
You described my brother Mathew pretty well and I agreed.
I am not upset, killing Jesus made me really happy.
Cleaning his brains off the wall was a real bummer though.
It's hard to have an open mind about something like child abuse.
I do appreciate your attempts to teach me....really I do!
"Programs are like swimming, no child wants to jump in the first time."
I really liked the "Cancer is not pretty but we treat it and the child suffers during treatment, but in the end they are cured."
I think your really creative.....got a picture of yourself?....maybe we could hook up.
I'll show you how I played with Jesus.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Eliscu2" ---Hey Whooty I think I did agree with you once.
Right here on this very thread.
.....way back when we were talking about Valley View School abuse.
You described my brother Mathew pretty well and I agreed.
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I remember that. I do admit that you spoke up and said I was right. So I take back the group think comment.
--- Quote ---I am not upset, killing Jesus made me really happy.
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How could we have all been saved if he lived. He gave his life for us and for that we are all eternally grateful.
--- Quote ---Cleaning his brains off the wall was a real bummer though.
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Just Details, your soul had already been saved by that point.
--- Quote ---It's hard to have an open mind about something like child abuse.
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I agree, but what can we do? Close our eyes to it? If we have teachers raping our kids in the public school system why spend decades trying to close the schools down while they continue to rape our kids? What headway have we made… teachers are still raping our children. Is the school system abusing our kids or are the teachers doing it ? Hmmmm
--- Quote ---I do appreciate your attempts to teach me....really I do!
"Programs are like swimming, no child wants to jump in the first time."
I really liked the "Cancer is not pretty but we treat it and the child suffers during treatment, but in the end they are cured."
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I thought it was a good analogy but I couldn’t believe how pissed off people got when I said that.
--- Quote ---I think your really creative.....got a picture of yourself?....maybe we could hook up.
I'll show you how I played with Jesus.
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I like that thank you, Eliscu2. I feel we connected a little tonight and have found someone who understands me. Here is a picture of me. I tried to take a few of myself with the camera for FB but my arm is so big it blocks the shot coming back at me. So this is an older picture. I have lost over 30 lbs since this was taken and wear contacts now which really makes a difference. I will post some more updated photos soon.
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